Identifying brakes: Help, please. Solved.

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Jdsk
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Re: Identifying brakes: Help, please

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Thanks, Colin.

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531colin wrote: 8 Oct 2023, 6:08pm ... in Jonathan's picture it looks like the "bolt with a hole in it" (draw bolt?) nips up against the brake arm, rather than the brake pad stud.....?
...and the bolt which screws into the pad sets the toe-in?
The nut at the top left runs down the thread to clamp the right-angled connector to the brake arm.

Jonathan
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Re: Identifying brakes: Help, please

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Friend of mine had an issue with one of these brakes. Used a Shimano Tiagra Pad which had a captive internal thread rather than an external threaded stud, with suitably long bolt.
Can't remember if the curved spacer next to the back of the original block is free or if we had to drill it off .
The Weinman Cantilevers are great brakes . Have one on a trike.
PS Brucey just beat me to the punch there .
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Brucey
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Re: Identifying brakes: Help, please

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they are model 265 brakes and I suggest you use an M5 threaded pad holder with appropriate washers/spacers/bolts

cheers
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Jdsk
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Re: Identifying brakes: Help, please

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Thanks, Brucey.

Jonathan

PS: Great to hear from you. And the tagalong tandem trailer trike is running beautifully with its extra degree of freedom!
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I can't be certain but I found some Shimano road brake shoes for side pull calipers which used a bolt. Reusing the hardware helped them fit
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these may be suitable with an m6 or is it M8 bolt of an appropriate length and using the curved washers from your existing blocks. :wink:
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/brake-block ... m-shimano/
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The nut at the top left runs down the thread to clamp the right-angled connector to the brake arm.
That connector has an oversize hole to allow the m6 bolt which the brake shoe sits on a bit of wiggle room to allow precise angular setting of the block against the rim. :wink:
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Jdsk
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rjb wrote: 8 Oct 2023, 7:13pm
I can't be certain but I found some Shimano road brake shoes for side pull calipers which used a bolt. Reusing the hardware helped them fit
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these may be suitable with an m6 or is it M8 bolt of an appropriate length and using the curved washers from your existing blocks.
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/brake-block ... m-shimano/
Image
The nut at the top left runs down the thread to clamp the right-angled connector to the brake arm.
That connector has an oversize hole to allow the m6 bolt which the brake shoe sits on a bit of wiggle room to allow precise angular setting of the block against the rim.
Thankyou very much.

SJS Cycles have checked, and they are M6. That's the same as the originals.

Jonathan
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Re: Identifying brakes: Help, please

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rjb wrote: 8 Oct 2023, 7:13pm
I can't be certain but I found some Shimano road brake shoes for side pull calipers which used a bolt. Reusing the hardware helped them fit
.
these may be suitable with an m6 or is it M8 bolt of an appropriate length and using the curved washers from your existing blocks. :wink:
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/brake-block ... m-shimano/
Image
The nut at the top left runs down the thread to clamp the right-angled connector to the brake arm.
That connector has an oversize hole to allow the m6 bolt which the brake shoe sits on a bit of wiggle room to allow precise angular setting of the block against the rim. :wink:
I’m using some very similar Fibrax blocks on my bike. ASH 470 which I bought direct from Fibrax, they are also available on-line too at: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154647782993

See page 31 of this catalogue : https://fibrax.org/assets/fibrax-catalogue-2020-sm.pdf
And : https://fibrax.org/shop.html#!/Economy- ... p/79925122 - IIRC I paid less.
Don’t fret, it’s OK to: ride a simple old bike; ride slowly, walk, rest and admire the view; ride off-road; ride in your raincoat; ride by yourself; ride in the dark; and ride one hundred yards or one hundred miles. Your bike and your choices to suit you.
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those will work just fine but my suggestion allows a free choice of compound and good availability both now and in the future

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Jdsk
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Re: Identifying brakes: Help, please

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Thanks, everyone.

I've ordered some Clarks CP250, and I'll update this thread when i've got my hands on them.

Jonathan
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Re: Identifying brakes: Help, please

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rjb wrote: 8 Oct 2023, 7:13pm these may be suitable with an m6 or is it M8 bolt of an appropriate length and using the curved washers from your existing blocks.
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/brake-block ... m-shimano/
Thanks, everyone, for all of the advice and support.

And especially to rjb: those Clarks CP250 fit without any fettling required... as long as you keep the original long bolt that goes into the threaded receiver in the block.

Happy Christmas

Jonathan
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Re: Identifying brakes: Help, please. Solved.

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Well done there. Enjoy your break or should that be brake too........ :D
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