wheel-building expert advice sought

[Jezrant]

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[Jezrant]

I had a lot of fun with those hubs......

I once 'built' a set of wheel only to similarly notice that one of the cups was loose in the hubshell. I fixed it using epoxy resin......

I do remember you talking about epoxy, but I thought you were talking about gluing in a replacement race rather than the cups. I'd have to try to find that old thread, but I seem to remember you had suggested it was possible to remove the races in old Record hubs and replace them with new (old) Record races that you glued in. Someone else also said they'd done it. However, I've never been able to find any source for old Record races, nor any reference to them anywhere else. The dust covers are of course removable and were widely available as spares (I have a couple still in my pile of spares), but the races?

Actually, thinking about those hubs a bit more, you're right, one of them did have loose cups. I'm mixing up old Record hubs I've had in the past that have had different problems. However, I'm still curious: were there races that Campag sold as spares for the old Record hubs BITD? I'm sure (I think?) I've never come across them before, unless my memory is failing me, which is a definite possibility, as this is going back over a period of fifty years now. Sorry for the confusion, I'm mixing one pair with loose cups and another that had knackered races.

[drossall]

Not sure whether this old thread might be of interest, where I posted some pictures of replacing bearing surfaces?

[Jezrant]

Not sure whether this old thread might be of interest, where I posted some pictures of replacing bearing surfaces?

thanks for that. Interesting, I see you've done it. Someone else had also done this and posted about it in an older thread but without photos, so I don't have a clear memory of how they did it. Where did you get the new races from? Mercian? And were they actual Campag spares?

[Jezrant]

A little Googling, and I now see some other threads on another forum about replacing the races, and it seems the replacement races came from 'donor' hubs. That explains it. Wonder if Campag ever did sell them as spares and whether they also sold the tools for the job. Would have been very expensive if they did I guess.

A picture is worth a thousands words. It's so obvious now. Don't know why I was thinking the races and the cups were separate on the old Record hubs. Mega doh.

[Jezrant]

So, I found a digitised copy of the 1974 Campagnolo catalogue I had in my sprawling files, and I see the cups for the old Record hubs listed (part nos. 737 for the front hub and 738 for the rear hub (1034/35 LF/HF Record hubs). Guess they were available BITD, but I suppose it was a rare day when the cups would need replacing. Obviously, not a job I'd ever come across before. Now then, there's also a mysterious part, well for me at least, that's described as a 'spring clip' (part no 741) as part of the hub assembly. Anyone know what that's for?

Ah, the digitised photos I have aren't great, and the hub assembly diagram in the old catalogue is misleading. It's the spring clip that covers the grease hole on the outside of the hub.

[Brucey]

is it the central lube port cover?



FWIW I used to be able to buy campag spares such as cups BITD at my LBS. A favourite trick was to rebuild a front 'tipo' hubshell with 'record' internals; the diameters were the same.

[Jezrant]

is it the central lube port cover?



FWIW I used to be able to buy campag spares such as cups BITD at my LBS. A favourite trick was to rebuild a front 'tipo' hubshell with 'record' internals; the diameters were the same.

Yep, think the catalogue I have was from the States, hence some slightly different terminology maybe? BITD, I I didn’t need Record spares. I kept the hubs, h/s and b/b well maintained.

It was only later starting in the late 1980s when I began needing Record bits and bobs for restoration projects. There used to be a shop in London, maybe in Kilburn, that kept all the spares and did mail order. Can’t remember their name just now, but they also used to sell a lot of Italian frames too. They had a little A4 list of parts. Condor used to have a good stock too, but I tended to use that other place because they had those printed lists of parts with all the prices, and I just preferred dealing with them rather than Condor. I’m sure I still have a few of those lists from that place somewhere. I also got some Campag bits and bobs from Jack Taylor back then.

Whisker’s was the shop I was thinking of.

[Brucey]

are you thinking of J.D. Whisker?? Still going but have moved to Welwyn I think.

[Jezrant]

J.D. Whisker? Still going but have moved to welyn I think.

That’s the outfit. I was living in north London at the time. I think they were in Kilburn then. I went there a few times to get parts and drool over the Italian frames. Seem to remember them selling some fancy Daccordi frames back then.

[Brucey]

https://www.retrobike.co.uk/threads/jd-whisker.396533/

[thirdcrank]

Complete the well-known phrase or saying:

JD Whisker: our stock is our ######

Over three decades ago, I had to go to London on official business at the Home Office. Memory a bit vague now but I organised my itinerary to fit in a visit to Whisker's shop. I had a good look round while somebody gobby argued with the chap behind the counter about the correct way to measure a frame. They had a small shopwcase with some bike stuff that made mine look modern. Eventually, it was my turn and opening with "Our stock is our gimmick" I asked about the obscure item I was hoping to source. IIRC, the reply was on the lines of "Ask Mr Whisker - I'm running a bike shop." The mail order operation had already moved out into the sticks.

I think the moral of this tale is that holding a lot of stock, especially obscure spares, is the road to rin

[Jezrant]

hahaha, what a trip down memory lane. There was a good mail order outfit like that in the States called Third Hand IIRC. Big inventory, run by a lovely couple. Went under some years ago. Think the internet killed a lot of small mail order businesses who were slow to catch on. Ribble was quite an amazing transformation.

[Brucey]

at one time I'd go to Goff's oak once a year. There as usually a queue of people waiting..One time the man in the brown coat told me [with invective] 'that the problem with this job is that......[he tailed off]. ......you always get people come in and wanting to buy stuff'..

. I had to bite my lip as he trudged off and got the things I wanted.

I think they still only open tuesdays thursdays and saturdays

[drossall]

thanks for that. Interesting, I see you've done it. Someone else had also done this and posted about it in an older thread but without photos, so I don't have a clear memory of how they did it. Where did you get the new races from? Mercian? And were they actual Campag spares?

Yes Mercian mainly. There are one or two other places.