Violent conflicts.

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pete75
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Mike Sales wrote: 27 Oct 2023, 11:59am Besides all this vicious violence humankind is also capable of great selflessness and altruism. I suppose we should comfort ourselves by thinking about that.
Humankind is the only species which carries out mass killings of it's own kind, and is constantly developing new ways to do it. We employ and train professional killers and there are actually politicians and others who boast that our trained killers are better than other countries trained killers.
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djnotts wrote: 8 Nov 2023, 7:19pm I'd certainly "trust" HRW over WHO. Interesting.
Interesting indeed.

The immediate labelling of any mention of what is taking place as 'conspiracy theory' is a little strange. How many have read the text of amendments and seen what has been changed? https://apps.who.int/gb/wgihr/pdf_files ... ion-en.pdf

There is plenty which appears sensible and reasonable, but other amendments which should concern any person aware of the importance of fundamental human rights and democracy.
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pete75 wrote: 9 Nov 2023, 9:23am Humankind is the only species which carries out mass killings of it's own kind, and is constantly developing new ways to do it. We employ and train professional killers and there are actually politicians and others who boast that our trained killers are better than other countries trained killers.
I think ant armies may well be pretty effective at killing their ant enemies; plenty of other species can be violent to the point of killing when protecting territory or mates and family. As in so many other walks of life, the capabilities of Man extend to warfare as much as any other activity. It's just so sad we haven't yet learned to live in a way which precludes war.

Its defenders boast of the speed at which society in general later benefits from the more rapid advance of technology during war, but little is made of the costs, whether economic or social. World War 2 advanced some technologies, but countries were left with deep-rooted consequences which lasted for decades.
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Biospace wrote: 9 Nov 2023, 3:15pm
Its defenders boast of the speed at which society in general later benefits from the more rapid advance of technology during war, but little is made of the costs, whether economic or social. World War 2 advanced some technologies, but countries were left with deep-rooted consequences which lasted for decades.
Yes and it was the most evil regime, Nazi Germany, which advanced technology the most.
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The other thing which never gets mentioned is technological developments that get set-back, postponed, or even abandoned altogether in times of war, let alone social developments that are snuffed-out.
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The boot is still stamping on the face.
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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Spare a thought for the Engerland far-right foot- soldiers' mental turmoil. Obviously oppose pro-Palestinians marches, but are also rooted in anti-semiitism.
Maybe stay home with curtains drawn and TV off?
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I read that Gaza's main hospital has now lost all power and even intensive care has no electricity. I suggest that even just on its own, this has to be a war crime. Nothing can excuse it. I anticipate some of our politicians expressing deep concern about the consequences of this, as babies in incubators die, but we have seen this coming for a week or more.
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djnotts wrote: 11 Nov 2023, 8:42am Spare a thought for the Engerland far-right foot- soldiers' mental turmoil. Obviously oppose pro-Palestinians marches, but are also rooted in anti-semiitism.
Have you spent much time with the "far left"? Back in the day, NF supporters joining Pro Palestinian demonstrations was an actual thing. Of course my "far left" friends laughed at the political naivety of the NF supporters, because "marxists" are a great more sophisticated and have a proper intellectual understanding of these issues. So they imagine.

Oh look, it's still happening.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7zx5a/ ... mike-enoch
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President Macron calls on Israel to stop the killing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67356581

Well I never (or much stronger words I can't use here), I never thought I'd agree with Macron; might have to apply for a French passport :)
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Mike Sales wrote: 10 Nov 2023, 6:28pm The boot is still stamping on the face.
Except it will soon be an AI machine doing the stamping, not a boot.
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pete75 wrote: 11 Nov 2023, 6:47pm
Mike Sales wrote: 10 Nov 2023, 6:28pm The boot is still stamping on the face.
Except it will soon be an AI machine doing the stamping, not a boot.
At the moment it is still men with guns, tanks and planes. And missiles of course.
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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Mike Sales wrote: 11 Nov 2023, 7:01pm
pete75 wrote: 11 Nov 2023, 6:47pm
Mike Sales wrote: 10 Nov 2023, 6:28pm The boot is still stamping on the face.
Except it will soon be an AI machine doing the stamping, not a boot.
At the moment it is still men with guns, tanks and planes. And missiles of course.
Just men?

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maximus meridius wrote: 12 Nov 2023, 11:44am
Mike Sales wrote: 11 Nov 2023, 7:01pm
pete75 wrote: 11 Nov 2023, 6:47pm

Except it will soon be an AI machine doing the stamping, not a boot.
At the moment it is still men with guns, tanks and planes. And missiles of course.
Just men?

https://www.instagram.com/girlsdefense/?hl=en
It is mostly men, but I meant humans as opposed to AI, not men as opposed to women.
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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pete75 wrote: 9 Nov 2023, 9:23am
Humankind is the only species which carries out mass killings of it's own kind, and is constantly developing new ways to do it. We employ and train professional killers and there are actually politicians and others who boast that our trained killers are better than other countries trained killers.
Not the case, this is one of those factoids (in the British English sense) that seems to get rolled out in any such discussion without the scantest check of the easily available knowledge resources we have to hand.

As well as the ants example above plenty of mammals including our primate cousins engage in deliberate killings, including of rival tribes/family groups.

Ok they're not necessarily constantly developing new ways to do it but that's just a matter of technological capability, not mindset.
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