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And The Donald boosting about the size of his Red Buttonpete75 wrote: 9 Nov 2023, 9:23am
Humankind is the only species which carries out mass killings of it's own kind, and is constantly developing new ways to do it. We employ and train professional killers and there are actually politicians and others who boast that our trained killers are better than other countries trained killers.
Mass killings as in millions- I think not.Stevek76 wrote: 12 Nov 2023, 7:02pmNot the case, this is one of those factoids (in the British English sense) that seems to get rolled out in any such discussion without the scantest check of the easily available knowledge resources we have to hand.pete75 wrote: 9 Nov 2023, 9:23am
Humankind is the only species which carries out mass killings of it's own kind, and is constantly developing new ways to do it. We employ and train professional killers and there are actually politicians and others who boast that our trained killers are better than other countries trained killers.
As well as the ants example above plenty of mammals including our primate cousins engage in deliberate killings, including of rival tribes/family groups.
Ok they're not necessarily constantly developing new ways to do it but that's just a matter of technological capability, not mindset.
Not the case, this is one of those factoids (in the British English sense) that seems to get rolled out in any such discussion without the scantest check of the easily available knowledge resources we have to hand.pete75 wrote: 9 Nov 2023, 9:23am
Humankind is the only species which carries out mass killings of it's own kind, and is constantly developing new ways to do it. We employ and train professional killers and there are actually politicians and others who boast that our trained killers are better than other countries trained killers.
Mass killings as in millions- I think not.pete75 wrote: 12 Nov 2023, 10:05pm [quote=Stevek76
Ok they're not necessarily constantly developing new ways to do it but that's just a matter of technological capability, not mindset.
Ianhttps://www.opendemocracy.net/en/rsa-london-union-staff-walkout-israel-business-event-tzipi-hotovely-oliver-dowden/ wrote:London’s RSA launches probe into pro-Israel event that sparked staff walkout
The Royal Society of Arts claims it was not made aware of the event’s ‘geopolitically sensitive’ nature
London’s Royal Society of Arts (RSA) says it has launched an internal investigation into a pro-Israel event it hosted for the deputy prime minister and Israeli ambassador that prompted a staff walkout yesterday.
On Thursday afternoon, the arts venue and membership organisation released an official statement claiming the event had been “held by an external client who did not disclose the full event details in advance” and saying it did not endorse the day’s programme. Furious RSA workers were joined outside the building by dozens of pro-Palestinian protesters as Oliver Dowden and Tzipi Hotovely were due to attend.
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“It’s an affront to many staff, especially those with family or friends in Gaza, which [the Israeli] government is turning into a graveyard. The presence of Hotovely, who has made such sickening comments in justification of the killing of tens of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza, makes many of us feel unsafe in our place of work. We are ashamed that management has allowed this to happen. This, on top of our ongoing fight for fair pay, makes clear that they have no regard for staff wellbeing or the progressive values the RSA has historically held.”
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I think that the Israeli war in the West Bank and Gaza will cause a permanent revulsion in world opinion.Psamathe wrote: 15 Dec 2023, 12:35pm Without adding to my previous comments regarding atrocities, revenge, proportionality, radicalisationetc. I am increasingly surprised how world opinion it turning increasingly negative towards the Israeli actions in Gaza (public opinion, not just politicians).
Gradual trend but really brought home to me by the reportIanhttps://www.opendemocracy.net/en/rsa-london-union-staff-walkout-israel-business-event-tzipi-hotovely-oliver-dowden/ wrote:London’s RSA launches probe into pro-Israel event that sparked staff walkout
The Royal Society of Arts claims it was not made aware of the event’s ‘geopolitically sensitive’ nature
London’s Royal Society of Arts (RSA) says it has launched an internal investigation into a pro-Israel event it hosted for the deputy prime minister and Israeli ambassador that prompted a staff walkout yesterday.
On Thursday afternoon, the arts venue and membership organisation released an official statement claiming the event had been “held by an external client who did not disclose the full event details in advance” and saying it did not endorse the day’s programme. Furious RSA workers were joined outside the building by dozens of pro-Palestinian protesters as Oliver Dowden and Tzipi Hotovely were due to attend.
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“It’s an affront to many staff, especially those with family or friends in Gaza, which [the Israeli] government is turning into a graveyard. The presence of Hotovely, who has made such sickening comments in justification of the killing of tens of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza, makes many of us feel unsafe in our place of work. We are ashamed that management has allowed this to happen. This, on top of our ongoing fight for fair pay, makes clear that they have no regard for staff wellbeing or the progressive values the RSA has historically held.”
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Yep, was noticing that as well but not sure I'm entirely surprised, most people tend to have an inherent sense of fairness in the way they view these things and as such Likud's actions and rhetoric have rapidly lost the publics sympathy over the 7th Oct attacks particularly with the way modern news coverage provides far more exposure. Most people don't have any particular stakes in the conflict so the default moral concept of 'two wrongs don't make a right' is prevailing. (dis)information wars play a part too and the israeli government have certainly been losing that one as wellPsamathe wrote: 15 Dec 2023, 12:35pm Without adding to my previous comments regarding atrocities, revenge, proportionality, radicalisationetc. I am increasingly surprised how world opinion it turning increasingly negative towards the Israeli actions in Gaza (public opinion, not just politicians).
Not too funny. But also, its noticeable how many wars are due to mad ideologies, many of which have all the attributes of a rabid religion except the gods.
I can see that some are but also wonder the extent that wars are used by failed leaders seeking to retain power, leaders who might then try and tangle their crusade into religion to try for the moral high ground and garner broader public support. eg. my understanding of Putin's invasion of Ukraine is that religion has little part in Putin's motivation though he has sought (and got) support from the Russian Orthodox Church.
You do not mention the war in Ukraine. What is your theory about why there is so much coverage of that?Pebble wrote: 15 Dec 2023, 5:40pm 500,000+ killed in Syria - Near silence
400,000+ killed in Yemen - Silence
500,000+ killed in Sudan - Darfur, where who what..
17,000+ killed in Gaza – extreme outrage and the western world protests
Why are so many people outraged at this conflict ? Is it just because we are being led and brain washed by the media. Or is the media just jumping onto some far left band wagon. Why such outrage over this conflict? And why do the liberal left dislike Jews so much
I do not know where you get your news, but in the far left Guardian there has been plenty of mention of the conflicts you mention. The BBC has also reported on them.Early in the Ukraine war I posted here, wondering why it was getting so much more attention here, and in our media in general, than all the other dreadful conflicts elsewhere in the world.
The impression I got, reading between the lines, and more explicitly, was that we cared more about the people who are white and european, who are more like us.
I think we see Israel in much the same way, and take a closer interest in what goes on there.
I am not entirely frivolous in pointing out that both countries compete in the Eurovision Song Contest
My difficulty with what's happening in Gaza relates to to actions of the Israeli government, nothing to do with Jewish people. Why conflate government actions with a religious group whose adherents live in many countries?Pebble wrote: 15 Dec 2023, 5:40pm ... Why such outrage over this conflict? And why do the liberal left dislike Jews so much
Ultimately the war in Ukraine threatens us, The Ukraine men asked if we could look after their women and children while they fought the Russians - most people in the UK fully understand that and were more than willing to help.Mike Sales wrote: 15 Dec 2023, 6:07pmYou do not mention the war in Ukraine. What is your theory about why there is so much coverage of that?Pebble wrote: 15 Dec 2023, 5:40pm 500,000+ killed in Syria - Near silence
400,000+ killed in Yemen - Silence
500,000+ killed in Sudan - Darfur, where who what..
17,000+ killed in Gaza – extreme outrage and the western world protests
Why are so many people outraged at this conflict ? Is it just because we are being led and brain washed by the media. Or is the media just jumping onto some far left band wagon. Why such outrage over this conflict? And why do the liberal left dislike Jews so much
We have even invited Ukrainian refugees here, unlike the Afghanis who are marked men for the Taliban because they helped our troops, but are not finding it easy to get our Government to keep its promises.
I copy an earlier post of mine.I do not know where you get your news, but in the far left Guardian there has been plenty of mention of the conflicts you mention. The BBC has also reported on them.Early in the Ukraine war I posted here, wondering why it was getting so much more attention here, and in our media in general, than all the other dreadful conflicts elsewhere in the world.
The impression I got, reading between the lines, and more explicitly, was that we cared more about the people who are white and european, who are more like us.
I think we see Israel in much the same way, and take a closer interest in what goes on there.
I am not entirely frivolous in pointing out that both countries compete in the Eurovision Song Contest
Are you not outraged at the relentless bombardment of a civilian population from the air?
Is the siege depriving innocent people of water, food, sanitation and medical care not worth mentioning?
Why is the right so pro-Putin?
Because it's the one with jews involved.Pebble wrote: 15 Dec 2023, 5:40pm 500,000+ killed in Syria - Near silence
400,000+ killed in Yemen - Silence
500,000+ killed in Sudan - Darfur, where who what..
17,000+ killed in Gaza – extreme outrage and the western world protests
Why are so many people outraged at this conflict ?