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maximus meridius wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 12:53am

Pebble wrote: 15 Dec 2023, 5:40pm 500,000+ killed in Syria - Near silence
400,000+ killed in Yemen - Silence
500,000+ killed in Sudan - Darfur, where who what..

17,000+ killed in Gaza – extreme outrage and the western world protests

Why are so many people outraged at this conflict ?

Because it's the one with jews involved.

Pebble wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 12:35am

Mike Sales wrote: 15 Dec 2023, 6:07pm

Pebble wrote: 15 Dec 2023, 5:40pm 500,000+ killed in Syria - Near silence
400,000+ killed in Yemen - Silence
500,000+ killed in Sudan - Darfur, where who what..

17,000+ killed in Gaza – extreme outrage and the western world protests

Why are so many people outraged at this conflict ? Is it just because we are being led and brain washed by the media. Or is the media just jumping onto some far left band wagon. Why such outrage over this conflict? And why do the liberal left dislike Jews so much

You do not mention the war in Ukraine. What is your theory about why there is so much coverage of that?
We have even invited Ukrainian refugees here, unlike the Afghanis who are marked men for the Taliban because they helped our troops, but are not finding it easy to get our Government to keep its promises.
I copy an earlier post of mine.

Early in the Ukraine war I posted here, wondering why it was getting so much more attention here, and in our media in general, than all the other dreadful conflicts elsewhere in the world.
The impression I got, reading between the lines, and more explicitly, was that we cared more about the people who are white and european, who are more like us.
I think we see Israel in much the same way, and take a closer interest in what goes on there.
I am not entirely frivolous in pointing out that both countries compete in the Eurovision Song Contest

I do not know where you get your news, but in the far left Guardian there has been plenty of mention of the conflicts you mention. The BBC has also reported on them.

Are you not outraged at the relentless bombardment of a civilian population from the air?
Is the siege depriving innocent people of water, food, sanitation and medical care not worth mentioning?
Why is the right so pro-Putin?

Ultimately the war in Ukraine threatens us, The Ukraine men asked if we could look after their women and children while they fought the Russians - most people in the UK fully understand that and were more than willing to help.
Whereas all these other pretend refuges / economic migrants from africa and the middle east (maybe not including those afgans that helped us) seem to have runway leaving their women and children behind. Values most in the UK just don't understand.

And yes of course these other conflicts were reported (I knew of them and most people were aware of asad and his chemical barrel bombs dropped from the air onto civilians) but never headline news and certainly no widespread unease, no mass protests every weekend in capital cities. And if it is not about jewish people, why all the hate towards people of this faith, so well voiced at these protests.

And who is supporting Putin ? some idiots in Hungary and even bigger idiots in Trumpville trying to get their own way on other issues, but even they are hardly supporting putin. We need to help Ukraine to our last penny, they are indirectly fighting on our behalf. We owe them.

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. military assistance since the Second World War, amounting to more than $124 billion over the past seven decades, not adjusted for inflation. In recent years, U.S. assistance to Israel has been outlined in a 10-year memoranda of understandings, the most recent of which was signed in 2016 and pledges $38 billion in military assistance between FY2019-FY2028.

Though U.S. security assistance to Israel takes many forms, the largest portion comes through Foreign Military Financing (FMF), which are grants to support the purchase of U.S. defense articles and services.1 The current MOU commits the United States to $3.3 billion in annual FMF to Israel, the largest routine FMF package the United States provides on an yearly basis and which alone represents approximately 16% of Israel’s defense budget.

Mike Sales wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 8:45am

maximus meridius wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 12:53am

Pebble wrote: 15 Dec 2023, 5:40pm 500,000+ killed in Syria - Near silence
400,000+ killed in Yemen - Silence
500,000+ killed in Sudan - Darfur, where who what..

17,000+ killed in Gaza – extreme outrage and the western world protests

Why are so many people outraged at this conflict ?

Because it's the one with jews involved.

Is that meant to excuse decades of persecution and indiscriminate slaughter? That other people are doing evil things?

maximus meridius wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 10:34am

Mike Sales wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 8:45am

maximus meridius wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 12:53am
Because it's the one with jews involved.

Is that meant to excuse decades of persecution and indiscriminate slaughter? That other people are doing evil things?

I was explaining why the conflict between Israel and the Arabs and Palestinians has had so much more attention, over "decades" than many other, far more violent conflicts.

It's because there are jews there. Israel is the country founded as a homeland for the jews.

Here's the thing. Anybody can assert "I'm not an anti-semite". They may even believe it themselves. So what?

maximus meridius wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 10:34am

Mike Sales wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 8:45am

maximus meridius wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 12:53am
Because it's the one with jews involved.

Is that meant to excuse decades of persecution and indiscriminate slaughter? That other people are doing evil things?

I was explaining why the conflict between Israel and the Arabs and Palestinians has had so much more attention, over "decades" than many other, far more violent conflicts.

It's because there are jews there. Israel is the country founded as a homeland for the jews.

Here's the thing. Anybody can assert "I'm not an anti-semite". They may even believe it themselves. So what?

pete75 wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:04pm

maximus meridius wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 10:34am

Mike Sales wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 8:45am

Is that meant to excuse decades of persecution and indiscriminate slaughter? That other people are doing evil things?

I was explaining why the conflict between Israel and the Arabs and Palestinians has had so much more attention, over "decades" than many other, far more violent conflicts.

It's because there are jews there. Israel is the country founded as a homeland for the jews.

Here's the thing. Anybody can assert "I'm not an anti-semite". They may even believe it themselves. So what?

Israel is an anti-semitic state. The Palestinians are a semitic people and Israel is, by and large, very anti Palestinian.

maximus meridius wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:10pm

pete75 wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:04pm

maximus meridius wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 10:34am
I was explaining why the conflict between Israel and the Arabs and Palestinians has had so much more attention, over "decades" than many other, far more violent conflicts.

It's because there are jews there. Israel is the country founded as a homeland for the jews.

Here's the thing. Anybody can assert "I'm not an anti-semite". They may even believe it themselves. So what?

Israel is an anti-semitic state. The Palestinians are a semitic people and Israel is, by and large, very anti Palestinian.

And along come the linguistic pedants. Words change by common usage. The vast majority of people know, and agree, what anti-semitism means. You've not proved anything, except your desire to ignore the fundamental point I was making.

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/anti-semitic_adj?tl=true
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

pete75 wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:04pm Israel is an anti-semitic state. The Palestinians are a semitic people and Israel is, by and large, very anti Palestinian.

pete75 wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:15pm

maximus meridius wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:10pm

pete75 wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:04pm

Israel is an anti-semitic state. The Palestinians are a semitic people and Israel is, by and large, very anti Palestinian.

And along come the linguistic pedants. Words change by common usage. The vast majority of people know, and agree, what anti-semitism means. You've not proved anything, except your desire to ignore the fundamental point I was making.

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/anti-semitic_adj?tl=true
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... 20language

pete75 wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:15pm Something else strange is how those on the right dropped anti-semitism aimed at Jews, when they discovered Islamophobia.

Mike Sales wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:18pm

pete75 wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:04pm Israel is an anti-semitic state. The Palestinians are a semitic people and Israel is, by and large, very anti Palestinian.

As well as being ethnically very similar, Palestinians and Jews also share chunks of their scriptures. As Muslims say, they are 'people of the Book'. As are Christians.

maximus meridius wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:10pm ...
Words change by common usage. The vast majority of people know, and agree, what anti-semitism means.
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maximus meridius wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:55pm

Mike Sales wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:18pm

pete75 wrote: 16 Dec 2023, 2:04pm Israel is an anti-semitic state. The Palestinians are a semitic people and Israel is, by and large, very anti Palestinian.

As well as being ethnically very similar, Palestinians and Jews also share chunks of their scriptures. As Muslims say, they are 'people of the Book'. As are Christians.

What on earth are "Palestinian scriptures"? Is "Palestinian" a religion now?