Does anyone have this lock hiplok

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rareposter wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 2:11pm
Pinhead wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 9:11am But as I am planning to go away for a few days cycling next year and leave the bike outside of the travel lodge or B and B I don't want to find it missing the next day
I've never once had to leave a bike locked up outside a B&B or hotel.
Premier Inn, Travelodge, Holiday Inn etc all allow bikes in the rooms (you can request a ground floor room to aid with this).
Most B&Bs, especially in tourist places have secure bike storage options, you won't need a £250 lock!
E bike regarding fires I doubt
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E BIKES - BATTERIES can and are being refused in rooms
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Pinhead wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 4:34pm NOTE

E BIKES - BATTERIES can and are being refused in rooms
No need to shout!

That seems unreasonable, if it's a certified e bike. Could you offer to remove it from the bike, wrap it in a fire blanket and not charge it in the room? Maybe leaving it at reception so wrapped.

As some e bikes are used due to disabilities, it seems likely to be discriminatory to ban them all.
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mjr wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 5:00pm .......As some e bikes are used due to disabilities, it seems likely to be discriminatory to ban them all.
my electric wheelchair is a similar fire hazard [when on charge] too.
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Brucey wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 5:19pm
mjr wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 5:00pm .......As some e bikes are used due to disabilities, it seems likely to be discriminatory to ban them all.
my electric wheelchair is a similar fire hazard [when on charge] too.
Ditto all mobile phones, laptops, cameras, etc.etc. It's safety theatre and should be challenged.
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Pinhead wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 4:34pm NOTE

E BIKES - BATTERIES can and are being refused in rooms
You are regularly asking for advice on cycling matters here and elsewhere, and get good and factual replies from many people.
Instead of just making a bland "shouty" statement, perhaps you could back it up with some facts and help other people.
Which hotels/B&B's are refusing e-bikes and batteries?
Where are they?
Where do they say this - website?
Have you actually asked and been refused?
Thank you.
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Mike Sales wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 12:41pm I note that the advertising says only that the lock 'resists' a grinder. So does any lock, up to a point.
Yes and no: angle grinders will defeat all locks eventually but the Hiplock is far more resistant and takes much longer, significantly longer, to cut through than even a Diamond rated Abus or Kryptonite lock.
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I think I'd be looking for accommodation that would securely store my bike, though that needn't be in the room. Even if you carry the best of locks, how are you then going to secure the battery to the bike?
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PH wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 8:02pm Even if you carry the best of locks, how are you then going to secure the battery to the bike?
Don't some e bike batteries lock into place?
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matt_twam_asi wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 6:48pm Ditto all mobile phones, laptops, cameras, etc.etc. It's safety theatre and should be challenged.
Yes and no.
Phones, laptops etc are almost always professionally made and certified plus it's actually quite difficult to do user replacements of batteries on many modern phones and laptops.

A shop-bought e-bike shouldn't have any issues either because again, the battery and build is all manufacturer certified.

The "buy a motor from China and bolt it to any random bike/scooter" stuff that's available can be an absolute liability. Generally made to far lower standards and fitted by untrained people, often chipped for higher speeds, and it's an open door for potential incidents. There have been many documented incidents of fires on such bikes/scooters so it's right to be considerably more careful of those than it is of (eg) mobile phones.
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mjr wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 5:00pm
Pinhead wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 4:34pm NOTE

E BIKES - BATTERIES can and are being refused in rooms
No need to shout!

That seems unreasonable, if it's a certified e bike. Could you offer to remove it from the bike, wrap it in a fire blanket and not charge it in the room? Maybe leaving it at reception so wrapped.

As some e bikes are used due to disabilities, it seems likely to be discriminatory to ban them all.
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mjr wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 5:00pm
Pinhead wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 4:34pm NOTE

E BIKES - BATTERIES can and are being refused in rooms
No need to shout!

That seems unreasonable, if it's a certified e bike. Could you offer to remove it from the bike, wrap it in a fire blanket and not charge it in the room? Maybe leaving it at reception so wrapped.

As some e bikes are used due to disabilities, it seems likely to be discriminatory to ban them all.
Unreasonable until there is a fire and someone is killed then an outcry :( BUT 100% agree with you
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Cadence wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 7:20pm
Pinhead wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 4:34pm NOTE

E BIKES - BATTERIES can and are being refused in rooms
You are regularly asking for advice on cycling matters here and elsewhere, and get good and factual replies from many people.
Instead of just making a bland "shouty" statement, perhaps you could back it up with some facts and help other people.
Which hotels/B&B's are refusing e-bikes and batteries?
Where are they?
Where do they say this - website?
Have you actually asked and been refused?
Thank you.
I called Travel Lodge customer services 0871 984 8484 who told me that they have "real concerns over the safety of their residents / staff and would consider charging of batteries in room, a safety concern and that they are looking into this for future reference.

The large print was a mistake I am not perfect

I have also called hotels in advance who say "We have never been asked this before we all have to look into this" including two hotels in Llandudno, therefore it would be un realistic an unethical to book in advance and 1. sneak a battery in and 2. stupid as I would have nowhere to sleep/stay.

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rareposter wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 9:51pm
matt_twam_asi wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 6:48pm Ditto all mobile phones, laptops, cameras, etc.etc. It's safety theatre and should be challenged.
Yes and no.
Phones, laptops etc are almost always professionally made and certified plus it's actually quite difficult to do user replacements of batteries on many modern phones and laptops.

A shop-bought e-bike shouldn't have any issues either because again, the battery and build is all manufacturer certified.

The "buy a motor from China and bolt it to any random bike/scooter" stuff that's available can be an absolute liability. Generally made to far lower standards and fitted by untrained people, often chipped for higher speeds, and it's an open door for potential incidents. There have been many documented incidents of fires on such bikes/scooters so it's right to be considerably more careful of those than it is of (eg) mobile phones.
I do agree with you all, perhaps I am OVER thinking things, don't you (I mean all not just you ) sometimes, :shock: :shock:

What I'll do is email a number of them nearer the time
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mjr wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 5:00pm
Pinhead wrote: 3 Nov 2023, 4:34pm NOTE

E BIKES - BATTERIES can and are being refused in rooms

No need to shout!

That seems unreasonable, if it's a certified e bike. Could you offer to remove it from the bike, wrap it in a fire blanket and not charge it in the room? Maybe leaving it at reception so wrapped.

As some e bikes are used due to disabilities, it seems likely to be discriminatory to ban them all.
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