plancashire wrote: 20 Sep 2024, 12:10pmWe are talking about two distinct types of bike riding.
Perhaps importantly these are two different kinds of riding that can be accomodated on one bike, and within a single ride, especially with the advent of gravel bikes. Are these new lights accomodating both with a single dyanamo powered light though?
simonineaston wrote: 19 Sep 2024, 7:22amSo many cyclists here in the UK appear oblivious to the simple fact that their choice of front lamp is ruinous to any oncomers’ night vision.
I do have some sympathy with these folks though, because riding in some areas where road conditiosn are really a bit too hostile for cycling these dazzling lights might be the only way of actively attracting the attention of inattentive or distracted drivers (although I'm not convinced that it results in increased safety).
plancashire wrote: 20 Sep 2024, 12:10pmWe are talking about two distinct types of bike riding.
Perhaps importantly these are two different kinds of riding that can be accomodated on one bike, and within a single ride, especially with the advent of gravel bikes. Are these new lights accomodating both with a single dyanamo powered light though?
Yes - most off-road rides also include a road element. and the market is increasingly pushing "do-it-all" bikes.
Bmblbzzz wrote: 20 Sep 2024, 11:58am
It would be great if StVZO and any other standards for cycle lighting worldwide took into account the needs of off-road riding and the fact that off-road lights are frequently used on road, for many reasons. A standard incorporating low and high beams is overdue.
The new B+M has low and high beam. All B+M lights are StVZO compliant. I suspect the standard is not the problem. We are talking about two distinct types of bike riding.
The problem is the dynamo switchable high-beam lights from the main manufacturers, aside from being the most expensive lights, seem to treat high beam as a high power mode, with the output higher - this is the case with the M99 Pro and the IQ X-L Highbeam. This can be seen in the power requirements for the e-bike versions. On dynamo versions this involves drawing from a battery reservoir, so the high beam can't be used indefinitely.
Bmblbzzz wrote: 20 Sep 2024, 11:58am
It would be great if StVZO and any other standards for cycle lighting worldwide took into account the needs of off-road riding and the fact that off-road lights are frequently used on road, for many reasons. A standard incorporating low and high beams is overdue.
The new B+M has low and high beam. All B+M lights are StVZO compliant. I suspect the standard is not the problem. We are talking about two distinct types of bike riding.
Does the "High Beam" conform to (some part of) the standard?
Does the standard allow for a swtichabel function that in no way complies?
(I think this is the stuation with UK law i.e. you can fit crazy lights for stuff like hare-coursing, but you can't use them on the public highway. I've never looked for actual text on this! )
The main advantage of dinamo lighting as I see it is that a good quality well fitted system is just always there ready for those times when your caught in the dark unexpectedly.
And with the best & latest lights there's really no need to feel inferior to anyone other than the guy who's brought his off road car dazzling contraption along
Bmblbzzz wrote: 20 Sep 2024, 11:58am
It would be great if StVZO and any other standards for cycle lighting worldwide took into account the needs of off-road riding and the fact that off-road lights are frequently used on road, for many reasons. A standard incorporating low and high beams is overdue.
The new B+M has low and high beam. All B+M lights are StVZO compliant. I suspect the standard is not the problem. We are talking about two distinct types of bike riding.
Does the "High Beam" conform to (some part of) the standard?
Does the standard allow for a swtichabel function that in no way complies?
(I think this is the stuation with UK law i.e. you can fit crazy lights for stuff like hare-coursing, but you can't use them on the public highway. I've never looked for actual text on this! )
The StVZO allows one or two dipped lights at the front which must not blind oncoming traffic. The front light may also have a switchable day running light and a switchable full beam light. There is a standard for day running lights but no limitations are mentioned for the full beam light. See (in German): § 67 Lichttechnische Einrichtungen an Fahrrädern.
I am NOT a cyclist. I enjoy riding a bike for utility, commuting, fitness and touring on tout terrain Rohloff, Brompton ML3 (2004) and Wester Ross 354 plus a Burley Travoy trailer.
The new B+M has low and high beam. All B+M lights are StVZO compliant. I suspect the standard is not the problem. We are talking about two distinct types of bike riding.
Does the "High Beam" conform to (some part of) the standard?
Does the standard allow for a swtichabel function that in no way complies?
(I think this is the stuation with UK law i.e. you can fit crazy lights for stuff like hare-coursing, but you can't use them on the public highway. I've never looked for actual text on this! )
Hare coursing is illegal in the UK.
... but that's not controlled by the vehicle regs.
Bzzzzz!
The new B+M has low and high beam. All B+M lights are StVZO compliant. I suspect the standard is not the problem. We are talking about two distinct types of bike riding.
Does the "High Beam" conform to (some part of) the standard?
Does the standard allow for a swtichabel function that in no way complies?
(I think this is the stuation with UK law i.e. you can fit crazy lights for stuff like hare-coursing, but you can't use them on the public highway. I've never looked for actual text on this! )
The StVZO allows one or two dipped lights at the front which must not blind oncoming traffic. The front light may also have a switchable day running light and a switchable full beam light. There is a standard for day running lights but no limitations are mentioned for the full beam light. See (in German): § 67 Lichttechnische Einrichtungen an Fahrrädern.
Aha, thanks!
So they can make what many people may want :-)
The new B+M has low and high beam. All B+M lights are StVZO compliant. I suspect the standard is not the problem. We are talking about two distinct types of bike riding.
Does the "High Beam" conform to (some part of) the standard?
Does the standard allow for a swtichabel function that in no way complies?
(I think this is the stuation with UK law i.e. you can fit crazy lights for stuff like hare-coursing, but you can't use them on the public highway. I've never looked for actual text on this! )
The StVZO allows one or two dipped lights at the front which must not blind oncoming traffic. The front light may also have a switchable day running light and a switchable full beam light. There is a standard for day running lights but no limitations are mentioned for the full beam light. See (in German): § 67 Lichttechnische Einrichtungen an Fahrrädern.
geomannie wrote: 6 Jan 2024, 4:12pm
I have a thought in the two lights referenced, the price, £350 and €349 respectively! No doubt they are fine lights but I am not minded to have such expensive jewelry on my bike. I have recently fitted a couple of my bikes with Fischer 70lux lights at around £28 delivered. They are the brightest headlamp I have ever used and I am more than happy with them.
That's a good price and I see that they'll ship to the UK for €6.99
Trying to type the Euro symbol, I've somehow managed to change the language of my CUK forum tab to Spanish (I think) - that'll keep me busy for a bit getting it back to English
Disclaimer: Treat what I say with caution and if possible, wait for someone with more knowledge and experience to contribute.
freiston wrote: 21 Sep 2024, 1:42pm
Trying to type the Euro symbol, I've somehow managed to change the language of my CUK forum tab to Spanish (I think) - that'll keep me busy for a bit getting it back to English
On my laptop, the € symbol is shown on the 4/$ key, and is typed by Alt-gr + 4
My laptop is Dell, but my previous laptop (Toshiba, Win7), and the Logitech wireless keyboard I got when the QWEADC (iirc) keys failed on the Toshiba, are the same so I guess it's pretty much standard.
I was trying many combinations of Alt, Ctrl, Shift and 4 before I managed to get the correct symbol and change the language (Linux Mint Cinnamon 21.2).
Disclaimer: Treat what I say with caution and if possible, wait for someone with more knowledge and experience to contribute.
In windows, the bottom left icon (a maginifying glass), click it and type in character map.
This will bring up (below). Scroll up/down to find loads of characters (inc €) which you can copy/paste to your documents. Search facility also available.
