Employer cuts D-lock

[simonhill]

First time poster.

I'd like to know what happened to the bike, this would be a bigger loss. Very incomplete story. After they cut the lock did they leave the bike unsecured.

[peetee]

First time poster.

It happens. I think it’s a case of Joe Public, (not an avid cyclist) has a bike related issue so finds bike forums to get ‘expert’ opinions.
Once they are slightly more enlightened they’re offski, never to be heard from again.


Dare say somethings going to pop up now to prove otherwise
[Peetee standing ready for imminent egg/face interface incident]

[Carlton green]

First time poster.

It happens. I think it’s a case of Joe Public, (not an avid cyclist) has a bike related issue so finds bike forums to get ‘expert’ opinions.
Once they are slightly more enlightened they’re offski, never to be heard from again.


Dare say somethings going to pop up now to prove otherwise
[Peetee standing ready for imminent egg/face interface incident]

I tend to give folk the benefit of the doubt but too often think that members time and effort (in responding) is wasted. Let’s hope that both the OP has the courtesy to update us on their experience and that they’re genuine …

[plancashire]

Who have you asked for reimbursement? I think this would be a HR issue, they should determine whether your use of the rack was reasonable. If they consider it was, it follows that it shouldn't have been removed without giving you reasonable opportunity to do so yourself. If they consider that your bike being left there was unreasonable, then IMO removing it would be reasonable.
Of course HR ae not the last word in arbitration, but I'd probably accept it as taking it further could get messy.

HR does not work for you but your employer. Are you a member of a trades union? If you are, ask your local representative to take it up on your behalf.

[rareposter]

First time poster.

I'd like to know what happened to the bike, this would be a bigger loss. Very incomplete story. After they cut the lock did they leave the bike unsecured.

This - a lot of unanswered questions.
How big is the employer? Several thousand staff and it's unlikely anyone would know who's bike it is, why it's been there for so long etc. 50 staff and yes, I'd expect someone would probably know that "oh yes [person] rides to work, it's probably theirs".

What does it say about personal property being left at work? And how long had the bike been left there?

Why was the bike even there? You're off work sick but presumably you've ridden in and then... been taken to hospital, got a lift home and been unable to take the bike...?

Having cut the lock, what did they do with the bike? Seems unusual to just pop it in a room somewhere and hope the owner comes back although I guess it'd depend on the bike. If a wreck of a bike was chained up at work for weeks on end, I'd probably just dispose of it if it was in the way of building work but if it was obviously quite a nice / expensive bike then securing it elsewhere seems reasonable.

What's the value of the D-lock? £15 from Halfords and there's no way I'd complain about it but a £200 Kryptonite would be a different matter.

Being off sick and checking emails doesn't compute either. You're off sick = you're off sick. No work. That's the law. If there's an arrangement whereby you're recovering from illness etc and you're well enough to work from home but not go into the office, that is also acceptable but that's not being off sick, that's working from home or working under special conditions (and they have to be agreed between employer and employee and be reasonable for both parties).

So yeah, a lot not adding up here.

[twodogs]

First time poster.

I'd like to know what happened to the bike, this would be a bigger loss. Very incomplete story. After they cut the lock did they leave the bike unsecured.

This - a lot of unanswered questions.
How big is the employer? Several thousand staff and it's unlikely anyone would know who's bike it is, why it's been there for so long etc. 50 staff and yes, I'd expect someone would probably know that "oh yes [person] rides to work, it's probably theirs".

What does it say about personal property being left at work? And how long had the bike been left there?

Why was the bike even there? You're off work sick but presumably you've ridden in and then... been taken to hospital, got a lift home and been unable to take the bike...?

Having cut the lock, what did they do with the bike? Seems unusual to just pop it in a room somewhere and hope the owner comes back although I guess it'd depend on the bike. If a wreck of a bike was chained up at work for weeks on end, I'd probably just dispose of it if it was in the way of building work but if it was obviously quite a nice / expensive bike then securing it elsewhere seems reasonable.

What's the value of the D-lock? £15 from Halfords and there's no way I'd complain about it but a £200 Kryptonite would be a different matter.

Being off sick and checking emails doesn't compute either. You're off sick = you're off sick. No work. That's the law. If there's an arrangement whereby you're recovering from illness etc and you're well enough to work from home but not go into the office, that is also acceptable but that's not being off sick, that's working from home or working under special conditions (and they have to be agreed between employer and employee and be reasonable for both parties).

So yeah, a lot not adding up here.

I don't think Anita is ever coming back to answer these questions.
It's the cruelest of mysteries.

[pete75]

A friend has a business restoring old buildings. A few years ago they had a contract to replace railings around a church in London. The original wrought iron railings had been removed as scrap during WW2. They'd eventually been replaced with welded mild steel railings. Friends firm were contracted to replace these with something resembling the original. For a week before the replacement notices were displayed asking people not to lock bikes to the railings, as they were to be replaced. When he turned up to to do the work a lot of bikes were locked to the church railings. All locks were removed with an angle grinder and the bikes put to one side. Whatever happened to those bikes was entirely their owner's responsibility.

[mjr]

Was there any other cycle parking? If not, I think both church and state are responsible for any stolen bikes in that incident.

[pete75]

Was there any other cycle parking? If not, I think both church and state are responsible for any stolen bikes in that incident.

Not really. If there's several notices saying don't lock your bike to these railings, it will be removed as the railings are being removed on DD-MM-YYY, anyone ignoring the warning would be doing so at their own risk. What would you expect them to do - sit around all day waiting for the owners to remove the bikes? The tender was won on the basis of labour and materials cost. Why should the firm lose out by spending more time on the job just because some people has foolishly ignore clearly displayed A3 signs.

[rjb]

I don't think Anita is ever coming back to answer these questions.
It's the cruelest of mysteries

The OP has not been on the forum since posting this. Have we all been trolled or was this an AI posting.

[sjs]

I don't think Anita is ever coming back to answer these questions.
It's the cruelest of mysteries

The OP has not been on the forum since posting this. Have we all been trolled or was this an AI posting.

Well that's OK isn't it? Everyone has had a good time, first with the question itself, now via moaning about the OP.

[TrevA]

An OP not returning to see the answer to their question happens quite a lot. I think perhaps they expect an instant answer.

[Carlton green]

An OP not returning to see the answer to their question happens quite a lot. I think perhaps they expect an instant answer.

Maybe I’m the only one that can do this but I don’t have to log-in to see the contents of threads … or without logging-in I can see responses to the threads that I start .

Who knows what’s going through the OP’s mind or what their motives were on posting? We’re just guessing. Perhaps they forgot their password, perhaps they’re separated from their computer, perhaps it’s a wind-up, and perhaps they didn’t get the answers that they were hoping for; could be any of those and many more.

Threads started here can help many other folk than the OP … and perhaps that’s what will happen in this case too.

[mjr]

Was there any other cycle parking? If not, I think both church and state are responsible for any stolen bikes in that incident.

Not really. If there's several notices saying don't lock your bike to these railings, it will be removed as the railings are being removed on DD-MM-YYY, anyone ignoring the warning would be doing so at their own risk. What would you expect them to do - sit around all day waiting for the owners to remove the bikes?

Put some other cycle parking in a few days before. It's rather unreasonable to put notices up effectively saying the parking will be closed but provide no alternative, then act all surprised that people keep parking there.

If the bikes must be removed, remove them to a safe location and don't leave them around unlocked to be stolen. After all, the notice said removed, not left for thieves.

[twodogs]

An OP not returning to see the answer to their question happens quite a lot. I think perhaps they expect an instant answer.

Maybe I’m the only one that can do this but I don’t have to log-in to see the contents of threads … or without logging-in I can see responses to the threads that I start .

Who knows what’s going through the OP’s mind or what their motives were on posting? We’re just guessing. Perhaps they forgot their password, perhaps they’re separated from their computer, perhaps it’s a wind-up, and perhaps they didn’t get the answers that they were hoping for; could be any of those and many more.

Threads started here can help many other folk than the OP … and perhaps that’s what will happen in this case too.

Exactly.
I've learned never to leave my bike locked up at work when I'm not there.