Employer cuts D-lock

[pete75]

Was there any other cycle parking? If not, I think both church and state are responsible for any stolen bikes in that incident.

Not really. If there's several notices saying don't lock your bike to these railings, it will be removed as the railings are being removed on DD-MM-YYY, anyone ignoring the warning would be doing so at their own risk. What would you expect them to do - sit around all day waiting for the owners to remove the bikes?

Put some other cycle parking in a few days before. It's rather unreasonable to put notices up effectively saying the parking will be closed but provide no alternative, then act all surprised that people keep parking there.

If the bikes must be removed, remove them to a safe location and don't leave them around unlocked to be stolen. After all, the notice said removed, not left for thieves.

It wasn't cycle parking. It was railings around a building. If it was something designed and designated as cycle parking you'd have a point. It wasn't so you haven't.

[Psamathe]

An OP not returning to see the answer to their question happens quite a lot. I think perhaps they expect an instant answer.

Maybe I’m the only one that can do this but I don’t have to log-in to see the contents of threads … or without logging-in I can see responses to the threads that I start :wink: .

Who knows what’s going through the OP’s mind or what their motives were on posting? We’re just guessing. Perhaps they forgot their password, perhaps they’re separated from their computer, perhaps it’s a wind-up, and perhaps they didn’t get the answers that they were hoping for; could be any of those and many more.

Threads started here can help many other folk than the OP … and perhaps that’s what will happen in this case too.

I agree but also, when questions are asked about the circumstances or for missing detail a genuine returned OP would answer those questions.

My concern about one-time posters who then disappear is that is discourages people from spending their time answering a question that might not be genuine, might be a AI or where OP just disappears. Over time it could mean genuine questions from new members don't receive the attention the asker would have hopped for.

Ian

[Bonefishblues]

I don't think we should ask them to do aerobics Ian

[Psamathe]

I don't think we should ask them to do aerobics Ian :D

Answering questions to clarify the circumstances that would make answers relevant seems a reasonable expectation.
eg

Several things come to mind.
Does your company own or rent the area where your bike was left?
Was anyone aware which bike was yours?
What happened to your bike?
Is there a condition in your contract that states that personal belongings should not be left at work?

plus quite a few more.

Ian

[Jdsk]

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My concern about one-time posters who then disappear is that is discourages people from spending their time answering a question that might not be genuine, might be a AI or where OP just disappears. Over time it could mean genuine questions from new members don't receive the attention the asker would have hopped for.
...

The best response that I can imagine is that the community posts a welcome (with the side-effect of identifying that it's a first post) and a couple of responses. And then sits back to see if the OP ever returns. Of course this requires some self-restraint...

Jonathan

[plancashire]

A friend has a business restoring old buildings. A few years ago they had a contract to replace railings around a church in London. The original wrought iron railings had been removed as scrap during WW2. They'd eventually been replaced with welded mild steel railings. Friends firm were contracted to replace these with something resembling the original. For a week before the replacement notices were displayed asking people not to lock bikes to the railings, as they were to be replaced. When he turned up to to do the work a lot of bikes were locked to the church railings. All locks were removed with an angle grinder and the bikes put to one side. Whatever happened to those bikes was entirely their owner's responsibility.

Does "all locks were removed with an angle grinder" mean that they cut the locks? Why didn't they cut the old railings they were removing and leave the locks intact?

[Pinhead]

I don't think we should ask them to do aerobics Ian

Answering questions to clarify the circumstances that would make answers relevant seems a reasonable expectation.
eg

Several things come to mind.
Does your company own or rent the area where your bike was left?
Was anyone aware which bike was yours?
What happened to your bike?
Is there a condition in your contract that states that personal belongings should not be left at work?

plus quite a few more.

Ian

I 100% agree with you

One post and people are all over it, let's move on

[Bonefishblues]

I don't think we should ask them to do aerobics Ian

Answering questions to clarify the circumstances that would make answers relevant seems a reasonable expectation.
eg

Several things come to mind.
Does your company own or rent the area where your bike was left?
Was anyone aware which bike was yours?
What happened to your bike?
Is there a condition in your contract that states that personal belongings should not be left at work?

plus quite a few more.

Ian

My concern about one-time posters who then disappear is that is discourages people from spending their time answering a question that might not be genuine, might be a AI or where OP just disappears. Over time it could mean genuine questions from new members don't receive the attention the asker would have hopped for.

[pete75]

Does "all locks were removed with an angle grinder" mean that they cut the locks? Why didn't they cut the old railings they were removing and leave the locks intact?

I asked him that - he said they wanted the railings intact for use elsewhere.

[Debs]

I don't think Anita is ever coming back to answer these questions.
It's the cruelest of mysteries.

I expect her employer cut her internet connection.

[Bonefishblues]

I don't think Anita is ever coming back to answer these questions.
It's the cruelest of mysteries.

I expect her employer cut her internet connection.

Chained herself to railings outside the office perhaps?

[mjr]

Not really. If there's several notices saying don't lock your bike to these railings, it will be removed as the railings are being removed on DD-MM-YYY, anyone ignoring the warning would be doing so at their own risk. What would you expect them to do - sit around all day waiting for the owners to remove the bikes?

Put some other cycle parking in a few days before. It's rather unreasonable to put notices up effectively saying the parking will be closed but provide no alternative, then act all surprised that people keep parking there.

If the bikes must be removed, remove them to a safe location and don't leave them around unlocked to be stolen. After all, the notice said removed, not left for thieves.

It wasn't cycle parking. It was railings around a building. If it was something designed and designated as cycle parking you'd have a point. It wasn't so you haven't.

If it was used as cycle parking, it was cycle parking, and there probably wasn't enough better cycle parking nearby, which makes its removal without replacement even less ethical.

Imagine if a car parked in a future construction zone on a road and when the time came, the builders bust its locks, pushed its away and left it. There would be outcries in press and Parliament. The builders would have it towed and impounded until the owner collected it. That's that should have happened here.

[pete75]

Put some other cycle parking in a few days before. It's rather unreasonable to put notices up effectively saying the parking will be closed but provide no alternative, then act all surprised that people keep parking there.

If the bikes must be removed, remove them to a safe location and don't leave them around unlocked to be stolen. After all, the notice said removed, not left for thieves.

It wasn't cycle parking. It was railings around a building. If it was something designed and designated as cycle parking you'd have a point. It wasn't so you haven't.

If it was used as cycle parking, it was cycle parking, and there probably wasn't enough better cycle parking nearby, which makes its removal without replacement even less ethical.

Imagine if a car parked in a future construction zone on a road and when the time came, the builders bust its locks, pushed its away and left it. There would be outcries in press and Parliament. The builders would have it towed and impounded until the owner collected it. That's that should have happened here.

Towing bicycles? Now that wouldn't have done them a lot of good would it?

[Bmblbzzz]

Put some other cycle parking in a few days before. It's rather unreasonable to put notices up effectively saying the parking will be closed but provide no alternative, then act all surprised that people keep parking there.

If the bikes must be removed, remove them to a safe location and don't leave them around unlocked to be stolen. After all, the notice said removed, not left for thieves.

It wasn't cycle parking. It was railings around a building. If it was something designed and designated as cycle parking you'd have a point. It wasn't so you haven't.

If it was used as cycle parking, it was cycle parking, and there probably wasn't enough better cycle parking nearby, which makes its removal without replacement even less ethical.

Imagine if a car parked in a future construction zone on a road and when the time came, the builders bust its locks, pushed its away and left it. There would be outcries in press and Parliament. The builders would have it towed and impounded until the owner collected it. That's that should have happened here.

I agree (mostly). Removing the bikes was right. Leaving them piled up wherever was not. They should have been taken to a secure storage facility and some contact details given for owners to reclaim them.

However, I don't think the contractors should be under any obligation to provide alternative parking. After all, if parking is being suspended on a road, there's no extra parking made available; motorists just have to find somewhere else. But I also think one week's notice is probably too short.

[twodogs]

The OP has not been on the forum since posting this. Have we all been trolled or was this an AI posting.

What is AI posting all about?
I can imagine what it might be but who and why?