Dropout hangers.

[Brucey]

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........It takes more than half a second to unwind the qr and to reset it afterwards. To me it is just an annoying faff, for no gain....

it does take longer than half a second, but it probably only takes me 1s extra each way. if it took any longer than this, I too would have got a file out. As it is, I probably have better things to do with my time. The trick (I soon found) is to hold the 'nut' on the skewer in one hand whilst unscrewing the skewer exactly three turns more. This is surprisingly easy to do; once the QR is undone; an extended finger of the left hand can undo a QR another 3 turns very quickly, no more than two shakes of a lamb's tail really.

I remember the introduction of 'lawyer's lips' all too well; at first I thought I would be an 'automatic filer of dropouts', but several things happened, First I noticed that I would severely compromise the corrosion resistance of my Mg suspension fork lowers, should I ever file them. Second, not that I was thinking of selling up, but surely no-one in their right mind would ever buy a set of used forks which had been cruelly butchered? Anyway I concluded that if I wanted to diminish the value of my forks to zero, filing the dropouts might be a good way of doing it. Finally I realised that it wasn't so bad that I could not live with it. The 'three turns' procedure helped enormously. So in the end, I left well alone, and I didn't remove any lawyer's lips, despite my initial inclination to do just that.

[drossall]

I've ground them off some steel road forks. Quick release is meant to be that. Lawyers' lips spoil it. QR was for road bikes originally, and only later used on MTBs.

[rogerzilla]

I file them off most forks but not the carbon ones. Having said that, tubeless tyres (cue another can of worms opening) means that I only take the wheels out in the shed.

Am I missing something?(Entirely possible)Why only in the shed?What happens 50mls from home?Interesting differences of opinion re "lawyers lips".Annoying to be sure but haven,t removed any,more thru sheer idleness.May do so on a wet day .

Tubeless evangelists claim they don't get punctures. If you put enough slime in your inner tubes (tubeless tyres are normally used with slime under a different name) you'd probably avoid punctures too.

[Keezx]

CUT
I have found it impossible to convince my brother in law that the QR is not a sort of folding wing nut. He also has a difficulty understanding brake quick release levers!

Is your brother in law an average American?

[Mike Sales]

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I have found it impossible to convince my brother in law that the QR is not a sort of folding wing nut. He also has a difficulty understanding brake quick release levers!

Is your brother in law an average American?

No, he is from Leeds.
You can always tell a Tyke but...

[Keezx]

I've ground them off some steel road forks. Quick release is meant to be that. Lawyers' lips spoil it. QR was for road bikes originally, and only later used on MTBs.

True, so the tabs are useful for older suspension forks with quick release AND disk brake...and I do not touch them.

[Mike Sales]

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........It takes more than half a second to unwind the qr and to reset it afterwards. To me it is just an annoying faff, for no gain....

it does take longer than half a second, but it probably only takes me 1s extra each way. if it took any longer than this, I too would have got a file out. As it is, I probably have better things to do with my time. The trick (I soon found) is to hold the 'nut' on the skewer in one hand whilst unscrewing the skewer exactly three turns more. This is surprisingly easy to do; once the QR is undone; an extended finger of the left hand can undo a QR another 3 turns very quickly, no more than two shakes of a lamb's tail really.

Would you give my b-i-l a tutorial?

[drossall]

True, so the tabs are useful for older suspension forks with quick release AND disk brake...and I do not touch them.

I'm not sure what would happen with disc brakes if a Q/R came loose, even with lawyers' lips, and I'm not going to test Certainly the whole business pre-dates any widespread use of discs, so the arguments at the time didn't involve them.

[Brucey]

....Would you give my b-i-l a tutorial?

As someone once said, 'most are on a path to redemption, but a few are beyond hope'.

[Keezx]

True, so the tabs are useful for older suspension forks with quick release AND disk brake...and I do not touch them.

I'm not sure what would happen with disc brakes if a Q/R came loose, even with lawyers' lips, and I'm not going to test Certainly the whole business pre-dates any widespread use of discs, so the arguments at the time didn't involve them.

I remember some discussions on Usenet in the late ninenties with Jobst Brandt about disk brakes and quick release hubs, so i assumed the arguments were actually involved in the history of laywer's rtabs.
I do own an old MTB with a diks brake front wheel and quick release and I'm glad with them...pretty sure they will prevent the wheel leaving the bike unwanted.....

[plancashire]

Some bikes use washers with a hooked tab that fits into a small slot in the dropout to achieve the same end.

Sorry about quoting myself. I notice that the replies are about the lips, not these washers. On utility bikes with hub gears these things are almost universal in my volunteer workshop experience in Düsseldorf. They are a right pain. They increase the thickness of the washer stack, which may also include mudguard stays and rack supports, and generally mean that you have to remove the nut to get the wheel off. Removing the nut and the washers (which fall off) of course is an open invitation to a novice to reassemble incorrectly with the tab not engaged in its slot. It's daft.