On pedantry?

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Nearholmer
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Re: On pedantry?

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Was it Mattheus who mentioned this emporium of fashion disasters, which had branches all over East Sussex (well three or four towns, maybe)?
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This came up on the local “memories” group for the town where I grew up, and even many years later, I’m still not comfortable with it.
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pete75 wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 1:58pm Don't want to appear pedantic, but shouldn't this thread be in the Tea Shop.
Already covered, dear chap!:
slowster wrote: 1 Feb 2024, 11:35am Good efforts all round, but the winner is the person who reported this thread on the grounds that it should be in the Tea Shop.
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mattheus wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 4:14pm
pete75 wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 1:58pm Don't want to appear pedantic, but shouldn't this thread be in the Tea Shop.
Already covered, dear chap!:
slowster wrote: 1 Feb 2024, 11:35am Good efforts all round, but the winner is the person who reported this thread on the grounds that it should be in the Tea Shop.
I just questioned if it should be there. I didn't report that it should be there.
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pete75 wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 4:49pm
mattheus wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 4:14pm
pete75 wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 1:58pm Don't want to appear pedantic, but shouldn't this thread be in the Tea Shop.
Already covered, dear chap!:
slowster wrote: 1 Feb 2024, 11:35am Good efforts all round, but the winner is the person who reported this thread on the grounds that it should be in the Tea Shop.
I just questioned if it should be there. I didn't report that it should be there.
Fair point - I should have buzzed for Repetition. A point wasted there, I may regret that later ...
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pete75 wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 3:51pm
borisface wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 3:38pm
pete75 wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 3:22pm

That's the whole bloody forum.
Every bloody forum!
No, not the one in Rome.
How do you know?
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Nearholmer wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 4:00pm Was it Mattheus who mentioned this emporium of fashion disasters, which had branches all over East Sussex (well three or four towns, maybe)?

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This came up on the local “memories” group for the town where I grew up, and even many years later, I’m still not comfortable with it.
Yes that's the blighter. Still going in Cranbrook apparently.https://phillips-mans-shops.co.uk/
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borisface wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 5:58pm
pete75 wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 3:51pm
borisface wrote: 2 Feb 2024, 3:38pm

Every bloody forum!
No, not the one in Rome.
How do you know?
Because the phrase hadn't been invented back then.
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pete75 wrote: 1 Feb 2024, 5:55pm
MartinC wrote: 1 Feb 2024, 8:53am I was going to join the Pedants Society but they hadn't set up the rules correctly.
I was going to join the Anarchist's Society until I discovered they had rules.
...is this a good place to point out that 'anarchist' means without leaders, rather than rules?

Cue monty python (abridged) 'we each take it in turns on a bi-weekly rota to ratify group decisions based on a two thirds majority in cases of purely internal affairs, but for all other matter.....'
'Shut up! I order you, as your King to shut up!!'
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cycle tramp wrote: 3 Feb 2024, 3:23pm ...
...is this a good place to point out that 'anarchist' means without leaders, rather than rules?
...
Not really, because it doesn't. It starts from without rule, and then builds on that.

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Jdsk wrote: 3 Feb 2024, 5:58pm
cycle tramp wrote: 3 Feb 2024, 3:23pm ...
...is this a good place to point out that 'anarchist' means without leaders, rather than rules?
...
Not really, because it doesn't. It starts from without rule, and then builds on that.

Jonathan
Oh now your just being pedantic :-)
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Second assault on the etymology of pedant RSN!

: - )

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A pet peeve is "pedants" who don't grasp etymology, evolution of language and common usage and then derail a reasonable post with questioning the language used when there is no confusion in the meaning/intention:
Some examples that stick in my mind:

- wing mirrors: yeah they are not attached to car wings generally anymore - but that's what folks round my way call mirrors stuck the side of the mirror.
- dyson hoover: yeah i know hoover is a brand but it has become interchangeable word for vacuum cleaner and its a nice word to say and use as a verb too.
-Robin Reliant - Yes, i know its technically a Reliant Robin but you know what i mean.

I also find its frowned upon if, to save time, i abbreviate the word pedant in an Australian style to pedo.
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deeferdonk wrote: 5 Feb 2024, 9:29am A pet peeve is "pedants" who don't grasp etymology, evolution of language and common usage and then derail a reasonable post with questioning the language used when there is no confusion in the meaning/intention:
Some examples that stick in my mind:

- wing mirrors: yeah they are not attached to car wings generally anymore - but that's what folks round my way call mirrors stuck the side of the mirror.
- dyson hoover: yeah i know hoover is a brand but it has become interchangeable word for vacuum cleaner and its a nice word to say and use as a verb too.
-Robin Reliant - Yes, i know its technically a Reliant Robin but you know what i mean.

I also find its frowned upon if, to save time, i abbreviate the word pedant in an Australian style to pedo.
Goodness, an unpedantic pedant? Would you call yourself a completely unpedantic pedant, or an incomplete pedant, or not a pedant at all, merely a peevee (if that's the, or indeed, a, word?).
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GideonReade wrote: 5 Feb 2024, 10:15am a peevee (if that's the, or indeed, a, word?).
Definitely not. That -ee ending (which I suspect derives from the French past participle) denotes the recipient of the action (e.g. a payee is the person who gets paid, not the one who does the paying). So a peevee would perhaps be the person the peever is peeved at.
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Oh I don't know about that. Which way around is that verb?

A not uncommon usage: "I'm peeved", suggests that the person who is peeved, the speaker, has had the peeving done to them. The peever would be he or she who peeved them? Can one peeve oneself?

Your suggested form would have "I'm peeved" meaning that the speaker had completed their peeving and, err, was either completely peeved, or perhaps more naturally had completed their peeving and was no longer in a state of peevedness.

I don't think this is off topic, is it, there's probably quite an overlap between being a pedant (complete or otherwise), and being peeved.
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