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Re: Recumbent Tadpole Trike + DVT - Good Idea/Bad Idea?
Posted: 20 May 2024, 2:14pm
by pjclinch
cyclop wrote: ↑20 May 2024, 10:53am
Also,recumbents are a slog uphill surely?
More the case that heavy cycles with inappropriate gearing are a slog uphill.
On a 'bent you can push back against the seat so you can get just as much grunt as on an upwrong, but if all else is equal they'll generally be heavier (same is true of trikes) and thus more work going up, but with a trike (recumbent or otherwise) you can put on fantastically low gearing and winch yourself up as slowly as you want.
Pete.
Re: Recumbent Tadpole Trike + DVT - Good Idea/Bad Idea?
Posted: 23 May 2024, 1:16pm
by briansnail
I was reading Atoms under the floor board by C Woodford.
Recumbents are like Salmon fish in water ( as opposed to trucks on the road).When they hit air molecules .They (the recumbents) are 15% more efficient than racing bikes.
PS he say wheels,pedals and gears have axles which mean friction losses.The other losses are rolling resistance Here racing bikes lose only 20% of their energy due to thin tyres. Mountain bikes have heavy tyres and lose 80%.
He puts down drag as the other factor.As the bikes hit air molecules. Mountain bikes will lose 20% of their energy , racing bikes 80%
(I think this coz the racing bikes is moving faster)
If riders with mountain or racing bikes have a problem with the figures.Please complain to him (not to me).
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I ride Brompton,Hetchins 531
Re: Recumbent Tadpole Trike + DVT - Good Idea/Bad Idea?
Posted: 23 May 2024, 9:07pm
by st599_uk
The problem with exercising with a DVT is that the increased blood flow can dislodge the clot and it blocks somewhere else.
I went out for a bike ride with a sore leg (stupid as I'd had a DVT before) and after a couple of hours, it felt like someone had punched me in the chest.
It took a few weeks, but I ended up in hospital unable to breathe. Luckily the walk in clinic I attended was attached to a hospital undertaking clinical trials for this very condition. I was told I was a week or so off not surviving it. I'm on Apixaban for life.
I still ride, but didn't until I dropped from the clinical dose to the preventative dose. And I wear a big MTB style helmet to cover more skin.
Re: Recumbent Tadpole Trike + DVT - Good Idea/Bad Idea?
Posted: 24 May 2024, 4:03pm
by briansnail
The problem with exercising with a DVT is that the increased blood flow can dislodge the clot and it blocks somewhere else.
Does that mean the doctors do not want you to fly on commercial airliners as you represent a increased risk re DVT?
I the answer is yes.Note cruises/coach holidays.You will NOT be allowed to ride your bicycle around the deck of a ship.(Everyone will want to borrow it).
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I ride Brompton,Hetchins 531
Re: Recumbent Tadpole Trike + DVT - Good Idea/Bad Idea?
Posted: 27 May 2024, 5:34pm
by Drummer
Hi all, thank you for the replies. I've not been on lately, as I've been in a really bad mental space again.
Anyway, yes, the heart rate thing makes sense there, that's what others have mentioned as well... the thing is, the DVT 'professionals' haven't said anything about that, and that's one of the many things that brings about a complete lack of confidence in them. They have only said that I'm at greater risk of bleeding, so I can't do anything that could cause injury... but they've also said I'm to be on Edoxaban for the rest of my life... so that logically means I can't do anything that could cause injury for the rest of my life! Now, when I think about that with a reasonable mind, that doesn't work, but that's the thing with these people; they aren't, and haven't been, communicating to me correctly! I really do consider it to be an autism thing, because it keeps on happening in my life and honestly, it's not something I can get better with. I've worked my backside off to improve myself throughout my life... if I hadn't, I think everyone would know about it, because I was an absolute nightmare! I'm about at my limit with certain things though, and I think communication is one of them.
So, with that said, today, I filled a couple of planters with aggregate and popped a couple of ferns in them... my heart rate skyrocketed, I got out of breath and sweated profusely... but that was very light work!!! Honestly, walking to the car and back can get me like that, I'm so horrendously unfit! Making the bed? Forget it! Mopping the floor? Yup, heart beating out of my chest, sweating like anything... so even taking into account what the DVT people have said I can do, coupling that with all advice, pretty much all I can do is a spot of washing up and a ton of lounging around.
Which is pretty much all I have been doing lately.
I think this is such a horrid thing to have! Can't be too sedentary, can't be too active, can't eat this, can't drink that. Ugh. I just want my life back. The fact that literally all of this has come about through no fault of my own, but because I life in this particular flat though... that's severely messing me up!
Re: Recumbent Tadpole Trike + DVT - Good Idea/Bad Idea?
Posted: 27 May 2024, 8:01pm
by Psamathe
Drummer wrote: ↑27 May 2024, 5:34pm
Hi all, thank you for the replies. I've not been on lately, as I've been in a really bad mental space again.
Anyway, yes, the heart rate thing makes sense there, that's what others have mentioned as well... the thing is, the DVT 'professionals' haven't said anything about that, and that's one of the many things that brings about a complete lack of confidence in them. They have only said that I'm at greater risk of bleeding, so I can't do anything that could cause injury... but they've also said I'm to be on Edoxaban for the rest of my life... so that logically means I can't do anything that could cause injury for the rest of my life! Now, when I think about that with a reasonable mind, that doesn't work, but that's the thing with these people; they aren't, and haven't been, communicating to me correctly! I really do consider it to be an autism thing, because it keeps on happening in my life and honestly, it's not something I can get better with. I've worked my backside off to improve myself throughout my life... if I hadn't, I think everyone would know about it, because I was an absolute nightmare! I'm about at my limit with certain things though, and I think communication is one of them.
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Do remember that most consultants will see a wide range of patients, some will just want to be told as few basic rules to follow and no more whilst others will want to understand what is happening and why so they can appropriately handle a wider range of situations (ie they want to do more whilst not jeopardising their recovery).
So if they start explaining the reasons, detail, etc. some those patients will be confused and forget the important stuff before they get home.
If it were me I'd build a list of questions (and my lists of questions have in the past got quite long) then ask for a telephone call with the consultant. Maybe prepare a "why this is important to me" to start the call (raising any mental health challenges when you can't ...)
I don't know your consultant and everybody reacts differently to different situations. So just thinking about how I've handled restricting medical situations (on more than one occasion).
Ian
Re: Recumbent Tadpole Trike + DVT - Good Idea/Bad Idea?
Posted: 28 May 2024, 1:26pm
by briansnail
So, with that said, today, I filled a couple of planters with aggregate and popped a couple of ferns in them... my heart rate skyrocketed, I got out of breath and sweated profusely... but that was very light work!!! Honestly, walking to the car and back can get me like that, I'm so horrendously unfit! Making the bed? Forget it! Mopping the floor? Yup, heart beating out of my chest, sweating like anything... so even taking into account what the DVT people have said I can do, coupling that with all advice, pretty much all I can do is a spot of washing up and a ton of lounging around.
We all feel for you mate.Take care.
Re: Recumbent Tadpole Trike + DVT - Good Idea/Bad Idea?
Posted: 29 May 2024, 2:21pm
by Drummer
Thank you for your replies, and that's some good advice there, thank you. With my social life well and truly in the bin, it's really nice to come somewhere like this and be supported.
Re: Recumbent Tadpole Trike + DVT - Good Idea/Bad Idea?
Posted: 3 Jun 2024, 2:30pm
by Drummer
BIG UPDATE!
I continued my research into this subject, and came across the site thrombosis.org, where they list the 'high heart rate = clot breaking up and killing me' thing as a 'persistent myth'. After which, I contacted the DVT team again by phone, asking to have a proper, long-winded appointment with someone who will listen fully, without interrupting me, or making assumptions, and who will then take all of the information, including any pictures or videos to help illustrate my points, and make a genuinely and fully informed decision, based upon my precise situation.
I then detailed everything about the trike, such as seating position, foot positions, lack of joint impact, the near inability to 'fall off' of it, unless I go backwards too fast and turn, which I won't, and how the exercise has benefited me in the past, which muscle groups it has activated, the fact that it greatly increases my heart rate and breathing, when I really push hard at it, and so on.
I also told her what I read on thrombosis.org, and very long story short: She's agreed that riding my trike should be fine!
Well, it's good news, but I should have had this news at the last consultation; that way, I would have been able to make the Ride London event, but oh well, I guess I'll try for next year then.
As it stands, this afternoon, I've spent time clearing out the bedroom, where so much of my late Dad's belongings are being stored (which were all but burying my poor trike), and have reached the point where I can hopefully unfold it, give it a thorough check over, get it out and RIDE THE THING!!!
So, all being well, and so long as my local trail isn't flooded, that's what I'll be doing tonight, instead of moping about like I've done for so long, lol!
I'm considering getting an Insta360, mounting it onto a telescopic pole behind the seat, and recording my rides like this. Might this be interesting for a YouTube channel? The scenery won't be very varied for a while... it'll take me a fair bit to get very far away, but if it could be interesting, I'll do it.
I have also looked into using this camera to capture Google routes, as there are quite a few red ways around my area which aren't covered. We'll see... let's get out and about on it for a bit first!
Thank you for all the support, folks, it is greatly appreciated!!!
Next trike buy: Pedals and footwear!
Re: Recumbent Tadpole Trike + DVT - Good Idea/Bad Idea?
Posted: 3 Jun 2024, 5:14pm
by Psamathe
Drummer wrote: ↑3 Jun 2024, 2:30pm
BIG UPDATE!
I continued my research into this subject, and came across the site thrombosis.org, where they list the 'high heart rate = clot breaking up and killing me' thing as a 'persistent myth'. After which, I contacted the DVT team again by phone, asking to have a proper, long-winded appointment with someone who will listen fully, without interrupting me, or making assumptions, and who will then take all of the information, including any pictures or videos to help illustrate my points, and make a genuinely and fully informed decision, based upon my precise situation.
I then detailed everything about the trike, such as seating position, foot positions, lack of joint impact, the near inability to 'fall off' of it, unless I go backwards too fast and turn, which I won't, and how the exercise has benefited me in the past, which muscle groups it has activated, the fact that it greatly increases my heart rate and breathing, when I really push hard at it, and so on.
I also told her what I read on thrombosis.org, and very long story short: She's agreed that riding my trike should be fine!
Well, it's good news, but I should have had this news at the last consultation; that way, I would have been able to make the Ride London event, but oh well, I guess I'll try for next year then.
As it stands, this afternoon, I've spent time clearing out the bedroom, where so much of my late Dad's belongings are being stored (which were all but burying my poor trike), and have reached the point where I can hopefully unfold it, give it a thorough check over, get it out and RIDE THE THING!!!
So, all being well, and so long as my local trail isn't flooded, that's what I'll be doing tonight, instead of moping about like I've done for so long, lol!
I'm considering getting an Insta360, mounting it onto a telescopic pole behind the seat, and recording my rides like this. Might this be interesting for a YouTube channel? The scenery won't be very varied for a while... it'll take me a fair bit to get very far away, but if it could be interesting, I'll do it.
I have also looked into using this camera to capture Google routes, as there are quite a few red ways around my area which aren't covered. We'll see... let's get out and about on it for a bit first!
Thank you for all the support, folks, it is greatly appreciated!!!
Next trike buy: Pedals and footwear!
Well done and good riding and irrespective of anything medical ('cos I have no idea about your condition) I'd be taking it gently and building-up distance (but then my muscles tend to suffer too easily from my overdooing things).
In my case a couple of years ago I had to see a consultant, got passed to a locum 10 mins before my appointment which was a disaster I still suffer from (though in a minor but annoying way), had complain to the department manager, get copies of all my medical records from the hospital (incl. handwritten consultant notes), to go through PALS and get another appointment with my proper consultant and go through details before I got his OK to head off on tour and as a result, by the time I'd been through all that it was august so only got a shorter 1½ month tour in.
But well done.
Ian
Re: Recumbent Tadpole Trike + DVT - Good Idea/Bad Idea?
Posted: 3 Jun 2024, 11:34pm
by Drummer
Thank you, Ian! Wow, so it's not just me then? Jeepers, that sounds like an ache of the ball variety! I just hope things improve with the NHS in the coming years, before I REALLY need it, but I've had many family and friends suffer and even die recently, having seen them treated so poorly.
Well, I went out, just locally, had boost mode on all the way, but it was (unsurprisingly) absolutely easy as anything, ever! The most difficult, strenuous part of my entire ride, was bending down to faff with the bolt of my door, lol! I checked my trip, and it worked out at just over six miles, with a couple of stop-offs (one where I bounded through a pot hole so hard that the upright I made to hold a set of my front lights snapped off... need to make that stronger then... miles more resin, methinks, lol!)
I took it easy, all bar the final stretch up the, unusually quiet, High Street, where I decided to have a bash at riding like I usually would and caned it. That was about the only time I breathed through my mouth with any real effort, so all seems good, all things considered. My breathing was good throughout, didn't feel stressed over it. My leg, as I'd already said before, didn't hurt even remotely, my heart didn't pound or anything, just easy going 'stroll' with a bit of a 'jog' at the end really.
I did, however, sweat like something which sweats an awful lot!!! I was only wearing a polo shirt and jeans, arrived back totally soaked and having had my entire bottle of iced water, lol! I'm going to need a big old bladder mounted to that trike!
Here's to a season of top riding!
Take it easy, Ian, and thank you ever so much for your support!