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Re: Weight Loss for Cycling
Posted: 3 Jun 2024, 6:13pm
by pjclinch
MelW wrote: ↑3 Jun 2024, 3:49pm
It's been a complete game changer for me. Down from 19 to around 10 stones. So much healthier and fitter. There is plenty of evidence. Perhaps you are just not looking or being closed minded trying to malign it as many do as they are either too lazy or thick to do it? <snip>
I don't doubt you've done very well by it, but there's a lot of room between "this was good for me" and "this is surely the best for anybody".
There's no shortage of diets/regimes that have provided a beneficial food management regime for many people, but none of them have the evidence of being a universal "best" behind them.
Different people have different needs, different bodies, different lifestyles, different metabolisms, different all sorts of stuff, so it's quite a big thing to declare a particular system is point blank best for everyone as a default, end of.
I guess this is probably what Jonathan means about evidence, it's not about doubting you've done well with it, it may be beneficial for some others or any suggestion you should give it up.
It's just the case that "if I can do it then you can do it" and "it worked for me so it'll work for you" turn out not to be true in a great many cases.
Pete.
Re: Weight Loss for Cycling
Posted: 23 Jul 2024, 5:34pm
by Jon in Sweden
99% of weight loss just comes from dietary management. I'm just back from a week in Norway. 800km in 8 days and an absolute butt load of climbing. This month will see me ride about 2200km or a bit more. My weight hasn't moved a bit (102-103kg steady, at 203cm).
I keep telling myself that I'd like to lose that last few kg of fat to get really shredded, but I'm too lazy to diet it off and it's unlikely to go by itself.
So, by all means cycle because it's wonderful and great for your health, but don't expect it to be enough by itself to shift those pounds. That happens in the kitchen.
Re: Weight Loss for Cycling
Posted: 23 Jul 2024, 5:51pm
by axel_knutt
Without exercise, if I eat enough to just maintain my weight I feel cold, lethargic & injury prone, and just gain weight if I eat more. Exercise is the only way I know out of that bind.
Re: Weight Loss for Cycling
Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 9:02am
by Pinhead
axel_knutt wrote: ↑23 Jul 2024, 5:51pm
Without exercise, if I eat enough to just maintain my weight I feel cold, lethargic & injury prone, and just gain weight if I eat more. Exercise is the only way I know out of that bind.
Obese, FAT people as I was always have excuses.
It is time to look at what you eat not just how much, exercise is 50%, eating the other 50% of HEALTHY living
The ONLY person people lie to is themselves
I WAS 22-23 stone I am now 13st 8 and heading fo 12
I lost it by EXERCISE and completely changing my eating.
There is no such thing as a diet, just crap food against good food.
I cut out NOT cut back, cut out bread, biscuits, cakes, crisps, ALL takeaways, and have never been healthier.
I have gone from buying clothes at 48-50" waste because I was grateful to find something that fitted to buying and loving wearing cycle shorts and tops an d choosing what I want rather than my FAT and OBESITY dictate what I can wear.
Re: Weight Loss for Cycling
Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 10:14am
by pjclinch
Pinhead wrote: ↑24 Jul 2024, 9:02am
There is no such thing as a diet, just crap food against good food.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that, e.g. lentils are "good food", but if you eat nothing but lentils it won't go well for you; if you're on a long, hard ride and need fuel than a piece of carrot cake is better than a piece of carrot, and so on.
A diet is a combination of foods (type and quantity) that ideally work together to give you what you need, eating healthily isn't just lists of "good" and "bad".
Pete.
Re: Weight Loss for Cycling
Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 11:02am
by Pinhead
pjclinch wrote: ↑24 Jul 2024, 10:14am
Pinhead wrote: ↑24 Jul 2024, 9:02am
There is no such thing as a diet, just crap food against good food.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that, e.g. lentils are "good food", but if you eat nothing but lentils it won't go well for you; if you're on a long, hard ride and need fuel than a piece of carrot cake is better than a piece of carrot, and so on.
A diet is a combination of foods (type and quantity) that ideally work together to give you what you need, eating healthily isn't just lists of "good" and "bad".
Pete.
Good........ not smoking
Bad..... smoking
so common sense
Good food...........
Food that’s good for health: lots of fruit and vegetables, fish and whole grains. Food that’s good for the environment: in season, sustainably produced, low-climate impact, and the highest animal welfare standards.
Bad food common sense, fat, crisps, cakes, less but better quality meat, and a lot less processed food. Good food is even better when shared
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/h ... hy-eating/
Re: Weight Loss for Cycling
Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 12:00pm
by pjclinch
Pinhead wrote: ↑24 Jul 2024, 11:02am
pjclinch wrote: ↑24 Jul 2024, 10:14am
Pinhead wrote: ↑24 Jul 2024, 9:02am
There is no such thing as a diet, just crap food against good food.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that, e.g. lentils are "good food", but if you eat nothing but lentils it won't go well for you; if you're on a long, hard ride and need fuel than a piece of carrot cake is better than a piece of carrot, and so on.
A diet is a combination of foods (type and quantity) that ideally work together to give you what you need, eating healthily isn't just lists of "good" and "bad".
Good food...........
Food that’s good for health: lots of fruit and vegetables, fish and whole grains. Food that’s good for the environment: in season, sustainably produced, low-climate impact, and the highest animal welfare standards.
What you've done there is come up with combinations of different foods that together make up
a diet.
Bit of a clue in the name there,
how-to-eat-a-balanced-diet!
Also you need to take in to account that whether something is bad is related to how much you have and what your body needs at the time. Cake and crisps are often good for you if you're short of energy, there are foods where you can have too much of a good thing and what's notionally "good" can harm you if over indulged in.
There's nothing wrong with e.g. cutting out biscuits altogether. But there's also not any real problem if a fit and healthy person has the odd custard cream, especially if they're doing something needing fuel there and then.
Pete.
Re: Weight Loss for Cycling
Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 3:17pm
by Pinhead
pjclinch wrote: ↑24 Jul 2024, 12:00pm
Pinhead wrote: ↑24 Jul 2024, 11:02am
pjclinch wrote: ↑24 Jul 2024, 10:14am
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that, e.g. lentils are "good food", but if you eat nothing but lentils it won't go well for you; if you're on a long, hard ride and need fuel than a piece of carrot cake is better than a piece of carrot, and so on.
A diet is a combination of foods (type and quantity) that ideally work together to give you what you need, eating healthily isn't just lists of "good" and "bad".
Good food...........
Food that’s good for health: lots of fruit and vegetables, fish and whole grains. Food that’s good for the environment: in season, sustainably produced, low-climate impact, and the highest animal welfare standards.
What you've done there is come up with combinations of different foods that together make up
a diet.
Bit of a clue in the name there,
how-to-eat-a-balanced-diet!
Also you need to take in to account that whether something is bad is related to how much you have and what your body needs at the time. Cake and crisps are often good for you if you're short of energy, there are foods where you can have too much of a good thing and what's notionally "good" can harm you if over indulged in.
There's nothing wrong with e.g. cutting out biscuits altogether. But there's also not any real problem if a fit and healthy person has the odd custard cream, especially if they're doing something needing fuel there and then.
Pete.
I HAVE BEEN SAYING for YEARS there is no such thing as a "diet" in fact there are two main daily uses of that "word, diet" one is wrong.
Diet as in cutting back on food to lose weight is wrong
Diet as in changing your FOOD INTAKE from crap food to intellegent healthy eating is correct.
My mother was always fat, I was as a child, when I came home at 7,8,9,10 my tea would be e.g a
pound of sausages, , half a loaf of bread, and a tin of baked beans.
Where others had a fruit bowl we had a sweet bowl.
She used to say "I have been on a diet all my life", well had she, she would have died from lack of food, what she never did was change her "diet" from garbage to health food.
Is that easier to understand.
Re: Weight Loss for Cycling
Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 3:24pm
by Pinhead
pjclinch wrote: ↑3 Jun 2024, 6:13pm
MelW wrote: ↑3 Jun 2024, 3:49pm
It's been a complete game changer for me. Down from 19 to around 10 stones. So much healthier and fitter. There is plenty of evidence. Perhaps you are just not looking or being closed minded trying to malign it as many do as they are either too lazy or thick to do it? <snip>
I don't doubt you've done very well by it, but there's a lot of room between "this was good for me" and "this is surely the best for anybody".
There's no shortage of diets/regimes that have provided a beneficial food management regime for many people, but none of them have the evidence of being a universal "best" behind them.
Different people have different needs, different bodies, different lifestyles, different metabolisms, different all sorts of stuff, so it's quite a big thing to declare a particular system is point blank best for everyone as a default, end of.
I guess this is probably what Jonathan means about evidence, it's not about doubting you've done well with it, it may be beneficial for some others or any suggestion you should give it up.
It's just the case that "if I can do it then you can do it" and "it worked for me so it'll work for you" turn out not to be true in a great many cases.
Pete.
I agree with Melw 100%
Here, let's take a VERY basic simple look at a BRITISH SCHOOL lunch, an American school lunch and compare it to a Japanese school breakfast.
The FIRST one Japanese then UK then US
Re: Weight Loss for Cycling
Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 4:17pm
by pjclinch
Pinhead wrote: ↑24 Jul 2024, 3:17pm
I HAVE BEEN SAYING for YEARS there is no such thing as a "diet" in fact there are two main daily uses of that "word, diet" one is wrong.
Diet as in cutting back on food to lose weight is wrong
Diet as in changing your FOOD INTAKE from crap food to intellegent healthy eating is correct.
Your diet is the sum of what you eat, what and how much. It's a noun.
Used as a verb I'd agree it's often misleading.
If you do use it as a verb then it's not as simple as you make out above, because it's about how much as well as what, so if you're eating a mix of foods that would be good in a certain quantity, but you're eating double that quantity, then cutting back would be the thing to do.
Pete.