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Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 5:22pm
by Blondie
biker38109 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 4:17pm
So people who eat are wimps?
It’s not nothing to do with being tough or being a wimp. It’s just how people’s physiology is if they’ve trained it or not. What you need to do and what others need to do for the same ride will differ. You need to figure out what works for you and not compare yourself to others or worry about what they can do.
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 5:53pm
by drossall
PH wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 4:44pmAudax are just long organised bike rides, the variety of what people eat will be as varied as it is on any other long bike ride. There's no ethos of starving yourself!
That would be a new one. Audax has a strong ethos of cake. Sometimes in surprising quantities. But often/usually in cafes.
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 6:03pm
by Mike Sales
I have bonked twice. I felt the reverse of tough. I had to lie down in the road.
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 6:18pm
by biker38109
Mike Sales wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 6:03pm
I have bonked twice. I felt the reverse of tough. I had to lie down in the road.
Before I learned of this cycling term I thought getting bonked was a very desireable thing and also involved lying down.

Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 6:25pm
by Mike Sales
biker38109 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 6:18pm
Mike Sales wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 6:03pm
I have bonked twice. I felt the reverse of tough. I had to lie down in the road.
Before I learned of this cycling term I thought getting bonked was a very desireable thing and also involved lying down.
Have you yet come across the cyclists' usage of 'honk' yet? The French call it 'danser sur les pedales.'
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 6:47pm
by biker38109
rareposter wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 4:39pm
minimise the stopping and faffing and most people will a lot of their eating and drinking on the move.
Now this is where I would also generally be in agreement.
Would having a pack of 5+ bananas be sufficient sustenance to keep you going the whole day?
I took nuts because they are high in calories, if that is the right term, and easy to handle - dry and easy to shovel in the gob - and keep very well. Of course bananas don't keep well but otherwise do they fit caloric requirements well?
Just thinking of having to pack my usual food I would eat at home and finding some kind of container that would not leak is a faff in itself. A flask would be great I guess but I don't have one right now and itching to hit the road again. Having a few grab and go options is good for when you don't have hours of forward planning available beforehand.
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 6:56pm
by biker38109
Mike Sales wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 6:25pm
biker38109 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 6:18pm
Mike Sales wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 6:03pm
I have bonked twice. I felt the reverse of tough. I had to lie down in the road.
Before I learned of this cycling term I thought getting bonked was a very desireable thing and also involved lying down.
Have you yet come across the cyclists' usage of 'honk' yet? The French call it 'danser sur les pedales.'
I think I read user cugel use that here the other day. Another term for stompers?
Funny to think how these terms originally came into common circulation. I like to think about that in normal language too, in regional dialect and such.
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 6:56pm
by cycle tramp
biker38109 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 2:59pm
PH wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 10:02am
Get some decent lights so daylight isn't such a hard barrier.
Perhaps but I would see having them as a fallback only if I unintentionally went over as riding in the dark increases risk on roads doesn't it so would avoid it given the choice.
I never found that to be so. Indeed one of my finest cycling memories is cycling home at 3 am through two snow showers after an unsuccessful ghost hunt, way back in 2005.
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 7:15pm
by TrevA
Whatever gave you the idea that Audax riders don’t eat? If anything, the opposite is true. A 100km Audax ride will often have 2 cafe stop controls. A 200km will have 3 or 4, not always at an actual cafe, sometimes at a shop or garage.
If you are Vegan then can you eat the cyclists staple of beans on toast? Presumably so, if there’s no butter on the toast. If you don't want to stop to eat, then flapjack or cereal bars are easy to carry and can be eaten on the move. You can even make your own Vegan-friendly versions. Easier to carry than containers of loose nuts. Don’t get too hung up on bananas. I’ll sometimes have one at a cafe or shop stop but they aren’t that easy to carry with you, unless you’ve got a saddlebag or rack pack.
Also, if anything, riding in the dark is safer than riding in the day, providing you’ve got lights powerful enough to see and be seen by, and have some reflective clothing. Traffic is often lighter than in the daytime.
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 7:16pm
by Jdsk
biker38109 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 2:30pm
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That sounds like me to T already. I am already vegan and live on brown rice and legumes and pulses and nuts. So just a case of taking it with me rather than leaving at home. I have read many posts about 'going to the cafe and eating cake' and/or the pub which makes me cringe a little. I never eat sweet food, or intake caffeine. I know both are 'british institutions' so I see why the are popular but not my thing. My mum however loves all that as well as most of that side of the family so see how ingrained it is in the culture.
In terms of food choices are there any advantages to junky carbs often advocated or is my existing diet always going to be better? I would imagine the junky stuff give a short fast rush but also probably a crash so better I just stick to my usual diet but of course take it with me to eat while riding.
What I would do is eat as usual before, ride close to or bonk then get home and gorge. That food is not the best for carrying though. Wet and sloppy most of it but possible I am sure. Any suggestions for good food containers for that kind of wet food? When I would volunteer work I would usually just pack some nuts instead of faffing with 'real' food but having maximum energy was not of paramount importance there.
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Many cyclists use flapjacks as convenient non-leaking food. Lots of recipes in the archives and I'm sure that you could make a vegan version.
Jonathan
PS: On your existing diet when
not on the bike... vegan diets carry risks of some micronutrient deficiencies and it's worth running through a checklist occasionally to be sure that they're all covered.
NHS advice:
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/h ... egan-diet/
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Edited: Crossed with previous post. SNAP!
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 7:46pm
by biker38109
TrevA wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 7:15pm
Whatever gave you the idea that Audax riders don’t eat? If anything, the opposite is true. A 100km Audax ride will often have 2 cafe stop controls. A 200km will have 3 or 4, not always at an actual cafe, sometimes at a shop or garage.
Don't shoot the messenger, I was just repeating what an earlier poster wrote. Indeed this thread is the first time I came across the term from what I can recall so I have no opinions on it one way or the other except those gleaned this evening.
If you are Vegan then can you eat the cyclists staple of beans on toast?
Technically yes but I find them awfully sweet now and would just opt for plain beans and probably swap the toast for rice which would make my usual staple meals anyway.
Traffic is often lighter than in the daytime.
Good point.
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 7:49pm
by biker38109
Jdsk wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 7:16pm
Many cyclists use flapjacks as convenient non-leaking food. Lots of recipes in the archives and I'm sure that you could make a vegan version.
I had a love affair with flapjacks one summer after being recommended them by a friend. I went 'hog wild' on them eating probably most days which ended up in nearly requiring a root canal. That was partly due to not taking as good care of my teeth then but it certainly sped the decay and it is what swore me off sugar ever since, bar the very occasional binge here and there once or twice a year but now I just eat fruit for my little bit of sweet.
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 10:08pm
by drossall
biker38109 wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 7:46pmDon't shoot the messenger, I was just repeating what an earlier poster wrote. Indeed this thread is the first time I came across the term from what I can recall so I have no opinions on it one way or the other except those gleaned this evening.
Audaxes attract lots of types of rider. What @blondie said is true, and some riders can do long distances without food stops. Some of the serious guys need to, if they're doing such things as London-Edinburgh-London, or they'd never get round. But I suspect that @blondie never intended to suggest that that's expected of every Audax rider. Others cheerfully admit that cake
is the whole point of Audax.
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 16 Oct 2024, 4:17pm
by rareposter
drossall wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 10:08pm
Others cheerfully admit that cake
is the whole point of Audax.
I would agree with that except I'd go further and say that cake is the whole point of pretty much any bike ride!
Re: How to approach whole day rides?
Posted: 16 Oct 2024, 4:29pm
by Mike Sales
rareposter wrote: ↑16 Oct 2024, 4:17pm
drossall wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 10:08pm
Others cheerfully admit that cake
is the whole point of Audax.
I would agree with that except I'd go further and say that cake is the whole point of pretty much any bike ride!
What sort of cake? A light sponge or a heavy fruit cake?