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Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 27 Oct 2024, 9:04pm
by peetee
A long buried memory surfaced today and I had to bring it up on this forum.
How many of us used these freewheels?
I did; the 7 speed ones. I liked the ability to get exactly the ratios I wanted and remember quite distinctly the Suntour service board in my LBS with pegs for every cog and position.
Now then, did anyone ever have an issue with these cogs breaking teeth?
I had great service life from mine for a few years. Cogs would wear and I would replace each of them like-for-like or with a more suitable tooth count if my fitness or chosen ride terrain changed. Then suddenly, on any new cogs I bought, teeth were breaking off on a regular basis. I did complain but the proprietor said ‘tough luck’ in as many words. A better rider might have taken the failure as a compliment on their power but a waif like me just felt conned.
I think things improved but I can’t be sure as I soon went over to Shimano cassette hubs.

Re: Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 27 Oct 2024, 9:29pm
by esasjl
I’ve two bikes with SunTour freewheels fitted and a box full of sprockets etc. Never had an issue with breaking teeth.

Re: Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 27 Oct 2024, 10:13pm
by drossall
I broke a sprocket on a Regina freewheel. I was riding a hilly event at the Harrogate Festival of Cycling, and was unceremoniously dumped in the road on a hill, in front of a handful of spectators. The sprocket actually split, so it just span on the freewheel.

My LBS had a Regina sprocket board like the Suntour one you mention, and replaced the broken one for me. I also remember the board at the old Condor shop, across the road from the current one.

Re: Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 27 Oct 2024, 11:14pm
by fastpedaller
Yes, I had one break some teeth off the first time I used it. I never had a problem with Regina ones, and the Regina CX ones were very nice indeed! :D

Re: Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 28 Oct 2024, 12:35am
by 2_i
I use Suntour cogs as chainrings in the third and fourth positions to get low gears, with Mountain Tamer. I heavily rely on them in winter, and I even fiddled with their teeth on my own to improve shifting. The cogs have worked very well for me.

Re: Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 28 Oct 2024, 6:12am
by peetee
fastpedaller wrote: 27 Oct 2024, 11:14pm Yes, I had one break some teeth off the first time I used it. I never had a problem with Regina ones, and the Regina CX ones were very nice indeed! :D
Thanks.
Can you remember when that was?

Re: Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 28 Oct 2024, 1:45pm
by Brucey
I too used to use Sun Tour freewheels. Maybe I was lucky, but the only cogs I ever broke were the threaded ones on well-used 'perfect' model freewheels. Of my large collection of 'new winner' freewheel bodies, only one shows any sign of being badly-made. This freewheel body has some crumbling damage to the screw threads, suggesting that either the steel composition or the heat treatment was slightly amiss

Re: Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 28 Oct 2024, 1:58pm
by simonineaston
& Winner pro. With those blue sprocket/spacer boards in the shop. I swear they must of sent the dealers away to do some sort of course so that they knew how to advise on all the permutations!

Re: Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 28 Oct 2024, 2:17pm
by PT1029
I used them a lot. I rcall one freewheel where all the teeth on my most used 2 sprockets cracked, with some breaking off. I assume a batch of duff heat treatment(?), though that isn't somethng I would associate with Japanese products.
I eventually moved on to Suntour Ultra 7 freewheels, which were fine.

Re: Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 28 Oct 2024, 2:41pm
by borisface
I seem to recall having maillard 6 speed block that had a sponge inset so you could oil the internal bearings. 52/42 x 12-21. God knows how I got up the hills, youth perhaps?

Re: Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 28 Oct 2024, 4:42pm
by Brucey
PT1029 wrote: 28 Oct 2024, 2:17pm...I eventually moved on to Suntour Ultra 7 freewheels, which were fine.
IIRC, 'ultra' was just Sun Tour's shorthand for the compact (~5 mm) spacing. Hitherto, 5/6s freewheels commonly used ~5.5 mm spacing. At any one time there would have been several different 'ultra 7' freewheels available.

Re: Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 29 Oct 2024, 3:06pm
by Mick F
I had a Suntour New winner 6sp on my Mercian in the old days with the Campag Record hubs.
Upgraded to Campag cassettes.

The ST NW 6p was given away to a mate down the road from here as he needed a new wheel and stuff.
As it turns out, his Raleigh Record Ace had a 27" front wheel and a 700c rear wheel. He didn't seem to mind! :D

I think .......... and I empathise "think" ............ I have a collection of ST NW sprockets in the shed. I must check them out.

Re: Suntour New Winner.

Posted: 6 Nov 2024, 5:10pm
by torquerulesok
I recently built up a New Winner 14-28 7sp from sprockets I had in my spares box to go on my 82 Bianchi Rekord 748 (sic) as I was beginning to struggle with the previous 13-24 6sp iteration and the 52/42 Gipiemme crankset. The "new" set-up works flawlessly.

I never had any problems with any sprockets (or freewheel bodies) breaking.

I did have to retire a SunTour XC rear derailleur last year - after 36 years of hard use on my MTB... :lol: The FD on that particular bike is still going strong, as are the Cyclone hubs and the XC pedals. The matching roller cam brakes are stashed away in a box. My tourer still has an ARX FD and top-mount Superbe shifters doing sterling service.

IME SunTour stuff is very well made.