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Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 5:04pm
by robing
I need some help with this please. I am relatively new to disc brakes. Only my newest bike has them - cable ones. I'm struggling with adjusting them, the front in particular. They have 4 mounting bolts (2x2 at right angles), cable tension adjusted by barrel adjuster/clamp and a side bolt - you access through the spokes which I believe adjusts the pad in/out from the disc.

I'm struggling to stop it from rubbing.
My LBS said to loosen off the mounting bolts, apply the brake and then retighten.
If I loosen the side bolt/pad adjuster too much the brake doesn't work.

Out on my ride today it was rubbing and I could feel the extra resistance. I managed to solve it by reducing the cable tension, then was able to tighten the pad without it rubbing. All seems well for the time being.
Any tips or links to videos gratefully received.

Only one pad moves, the other is fixed.

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 5:35pm
by roubaixtuesday
robing wrote: 30 Oct 2024, 5:04pm I need some help with this please. I am relatively new to disc brakes. Only my newest bike has them - cable ones. I'm struggling with adjusting them, the front in particular. They have 4 mounting bolts (2x2 at right angles), cable tension adjusted by barrel adjuster/clamp and a side bolt - you access through the spokes which I believe adjusts the pad in/out from the disc.

I'm struggling to stop it from rubbing.
My LBS said to loosen off the mounting bolts, apply the brake and then retighten.
If I loosen the side bolt/pad adjuster too much the brake doesn't work.

Out on my ride today it was rubbing and I could feel the extra resistance. I managed to solve it by reducing the cable tension, then was able to tighten the pad without it rubbing. All seems well for the time being.
Any tips or links to videos gratefully received.

Only one pad moves, the other is fixed.
Probably worth specifying the make and model to get good advice

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 5:39pm
by 531colin
What brake?....manufacturer, model?
Photo as well won't hurt.

Most cable disc brakes work by 2 discs, one fixed, one turns....as it turns, 3 tiny ball bearings move in grooves to clamp the pads together.
If you are not careful, its possible to wrongly adjust the brake so that it runs out of travel....once the ball bearings are at the top of their groove, there is no more movement.
Don't do this!

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 6:18pm
by robing
It's a Schwinn hybrid bike - unusual make from America that the bike shop got in during the pandemic when supply chains were disrupted.
The brakes are Radius.

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 6:28pm
by Eyebrox
Loosen the caliper bolts and manoeuvre the caliper towards the fixed pad. Use feeler gauge or a business card to judge the closeness of the position between the disc and the fixed pad/piston. Tighten up the caliper bolts. Position the moving pad using the bolt through the spokes. Use the feelers or a business card to set the same amount of space between the moving pad and the disc as you will have done for the fixed pad side. Only use the adjuster as the pads wear, turning it anti clockwise to nudge the moving pad in. Think that should do the job.

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 6:30pm
by robing
Eyebrox wrote: 30 Oct 2024, 6:28pm Loosen the caliper bolts and manoeuvre the caliper towards the fixed pad. Use feeler gauge or a business card to judge the closeness of the position between the disc and the fixed pad/piston. Tighten up the caliper bolts. Position the moving pad using the bolt through the spokes. Use the feelers or a business card to set the same amount of space between the moving pad and the disc as you will have done for the fixed pad size. Only use the adjuster as the pads wear, turning it anti clockwise to nudge the moving pad in. Think that should do the job.
Thanks!

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 6:31pm
by robing
531colin wrote: 30 Oct 2024, 5:39pm What brake?....manufacturer, model?
Photo as well won't hurt.

Most cable disc brakes work by 2 discs, one fixed, one turns....as it turns, 3 tiny ball bearings move in grooves to clamp the pads together.
If you are not careful, its possible to wrongly adjust the brake so that it runs out of travel....once the ball bearings are at the top of their groove, there is no more movement.
Don't do this!
How do you add a photo?

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 6:32pm
by Jdsk
robing wrote: 30 Oct 2024, 6:31pm ...
How do you add a photo?
You can link to an image on another server or you can upload an image here by starting a post and then:
Click on the Attachments tab, then the Add files button.

Jonathan

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 7:07pm
by mattsccm
A different approach. I guess it is a flat bar bike. You can get some hydraulic MTB brakes for not a lot. Generally much less fuss to adjust.

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 8:36am
by Audax67
These things are a godsend. Loosen the mounting bolts, stick them in the caliper, put the brake on & tie the lever shut, tighten the bolts, take out the doo-dah, untie the lever and all's well. Unless your rotor's coggly, of course.

Qu. to the panel: if they're called disc brakes and the thing the caliper clamps onto is patently a disc, albeit a bit holey, why TF do they call it a rotor?

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 9:50am
by rareposter
Audax67 wrote: 31 Oct 2024, 8:36am Qu. to the panel: if they're called disc brakes and the thing the caliper clamps onto is patently a disc, albeit a bit holey, why TF do they call it a rotor?
Because it rotates.
Rotating disc = rotor

Technically, "disc brake" refers to the entire system including the caliper and lever whereas rotor means the actual metal bit bolted to the wheel but in practice the terms are used pretty much interchangeably. In America it's a rotor; in the UK it's disc or rotor or disc rotor or (depending on the mechanical nous of the customer bringing the bike into the shop) "that thing that stops me".

In answer to the OP, I've found that the best method of adjusting cable disc brakes is to remove the entire brake mechanism from the bike, place it into a bin and then fit some hydraulic discs.

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 10:23am
by Cyclothesist
rareposter wrote: 31 Oct 2024, 9:50am
In answer to the OP, I've found that the best method of adjusting cable disc brakes is to remove the entire brake mechanism from the bike, place it into a bin and then fit some hydraulic discs.
Rather harsh, but there are some awful mechanical disc brakes out there as well as some gems. Spyre and BB7 are both highly rated as are Hayes CX mechanicals. Spyre and Hayes CX are working well for me. They're easy to maintain and adjust once you know how. Lots of good guides on line. The Hayes CX on line installation instructions are pretty good for setting up single piston mechanical brakes.

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 10:33am
by rareposter
Cyclothesist wrote: 31 Oct 2024, 10:23am Rather harsh, but there are some awful mechanical disc brakes out there as well as some gems.
It was a bit harsh, you're right and I agree about the Spyre mechanical disc brakes.
Unfortunately, those Radius brakes are notoriously problematic for self-centring, they fit very much into your first category.
robing wrote: 30 Oct 2024, 5:04pm Any tips or links to videos gratefully received.
Not really a "tip" as such but I've got some SRAM NX disc brakes for sale. Front and rear, flat bar levers. 180mm front, 160mm rear. Drop me a PM if you're interested.

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 10:43am
by Audax67
rareposter wrote: 31 Oct 2024, 9:50am
Audax67 wrote: 31 Oct 2024, 8:36am Qu. to the panel: if they're called disc brakes and the thing the caliper clamps onto is patently a disc, albeit a bit holey, why TF do they call it a rotor?
Because it rotates.
Rotating disc = rotor

Technically, "disc brake" refers to the entire system including the caliper and lever whereas rotor means the actual metal bit bolted to the wheel but in practice the terms are used pretty much interchangeably. In America it's a rotor; in the UK it's disc or rotor or disc rotor or (depending on the mechanical nous of the customer bringing the bike into the shop) "that thing that stops me".
IMHO manufacturers started calling a disc a rotor because it sounded more technical in the marketing garbage.
In answer to the OP, I've found that the best method of adjusting cable disc brakes is to remove the entire brake mechanism from the bike, place it into a bin and then fit some hydraulic discs.
My gravel bike has hydromechanical brakes. The caliper is a sealed hydraulic unit, the cable pulls on an actuator arm, and they are only supposed to need bleeding every 5 years. If you want hydraulics and don't want the faff and expense of a fully-hydraulic system they're a good way to go, assuming you can find calipers compatible with your 4-bolt mountings. I'd look at the caliper manufacturer's web site first.

Re: Adjusting cable disc brakes

Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 10:54am
by Brucey
IIRC Radius cable-operated disc brakes are a lot like Avid BB5 in that they have a barrel adjuster for the cable, and just one pad adjuster, on the fixed pad. A significant difference is the pad type/retention but otherwise the set-up/maintenance is very similar, so if you use tips etc. meant for BB5 you ought to be OK.
IMHO brakes do vary considerably, but most can be made to work acceptably well.