Is spraying red paint on an aeroplane a terroist act?

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...certainly the case of the police being hit with sledgehammers raises my eyebrows..
..generally speaking if you are hit either on the legs or the back by one, the effects are best described as life changing... it appears not in this case, which makes me wonder how the injuries were caused... as for whips and axes being involved..?

The whips and axes were seized it says. Didn't say used. The police could seize any amount of stuff from me. Obvs hitting someone with a sledgehammer is very serious and an offence and there are legal penalties long standing for dealing with any such atrocity. But i suggest we wait and see/wait for yvette to put us in the picture. I do know that if I intended to do someone harm (most unlikely) a sledgehammer would not be my implement of choice. I use such things for coaxing bottom brackets of course.

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https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/2538 ... urt-hears/

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Gotta ask,is the shocking mis-spelling of the T word a vain attempt by the OP to throw the government tech bloodhound off the scent?

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https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/2538 ... urt-hears/

Perhaps he had ordered steak?

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https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/2538 ... urt-hears/

Perhaps he had ordered steak?

Maybe, but in possession of ______

[Stevek76]

Was that a paintbomb?

I was addressing the wider point raised above about whether serious criminal damage could or should be considered terrorism. The IRA mainland bombing campaign is an example of why it should.

That was indeed the reason given during the original debates at the time where the government also assured it wasn't intended for use as it now has been. That's the problem with overly broad authoritarian legislation passed on the basis of 'assurances', there's nothing to stop a future gov just ignoring them.

Ultimately the IRA campaign still did have causalities and also seems like it would have taken a particularly incompetent prosecutor not to convince a jury that such a bombing campaign didn't fall under 'creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public' regardless of the warnings so the serious damage part still seems excessive and unnecessary. It's far from the only part of the act that is overly draconian.

Are the facts of that incident due to be examined in a court of law?
If so that may explain yvette's reticence.
I'll wait and see to be honest.
Do I always believe politicians' accounts of things?
Do I always believe police accounts of things?

Er, not always.
But I retain faith in the law/due process/a light shone for joe public.

This could be the case but if it were she could also be clearer on that she can't comment due to ongoing cases and has clearly chosen not to, presumably to sound ominous.

Ultimately incidental scuffles with police, even if serious, are not terrorism. They are of course criminal and should and are being charged as such. It's notable that none of the existing cases involve terrorism charges.

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This person doesn't think so:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp94jz0y7ygo

Is Yvette gong to bang her up?

At this rate Yvette is going to have to build another prison.

[Nearholmer]

I think she lives in Ireland (yes, she does), and is very definitely Irish, so of no direct interest to the UK legal system, possibly unless she comes to the UK.

What is intriguing is why this is news now, because she made a deposition to the court in July saying why she supported PA, why it shouldn’t be banned, and tgat she would continue to support it if it was.

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On a more wider basis, it shows the limitation of the law which prevents the support of terrorist organisations.. which is, it doesn't actually work if alot of people still support tgat organisations...

..banning the support of organisations which are classed as terrorist organisations doesn't actually stop people feeling emotions or being scared or acting out of fear or hate....

..banning far right organisations, doesn't stop people feeling that, for want of a better word, the culture of Britain is changing.. and I don't think having an more laws will change that... we need to be more open .. we need to stop relying on laws but work towards social change where organisations both spiritual, religious, sporting and governmental work together to provide better integration..

...I'd like an alternative football or rugby league based around faith rather than location... that would be amazing, I'd love to be invited to religious festivals outside of the traditional Christian calendar.. at present the point where we have integrated is food - Friday night curry, Saturday night chinese, Sunday full roast... but it doesn't end there...

Two hours cycle ride north of me, is Weston-super-Mare.. there's plans for a new mosque.. apparently its got people very upset... perhaps if these people became more involved, spent sometime praying with other people then it's not a scary thing, it's a place of worship..

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Two hours cycle ride north of me, is Weston-super-Mare.. there's plans for a new mosque.. apparently its got people very upset... perhaps if these people became more involved, spent sometime praying with other people then it's not a scary thing, it's a place of worship..

Can I ask what they are upset about?
What their objections are?

In my book, as a convinced atheist, but recognising that human beings have some homing instinct for some form of religion, the more religions the better. Stops any of them getting too smug/uppity. One of the things I like about this country. The alternative is Italy, until very recently a monoculture.

A few years ago saw a church there with a notice pinned to its door (presumably by the management) "this is a catholic church". You don't say, does the pope *** in the woods?

The more genuine diversity the better. Which is why I find Starmer's labour party and Yvette so damn odd/worrying. The least diverse labour party I can remember. Debate? Forget it. Conference? A stage show.

I did see recently the unrolling of so many arrests for terrorism described as an "I am spartacus" moment.

This will come to haunt Starmer and Yvette I am sure.

[reohn2]

.......This will come to haunt Starmer and Yvette I am sure.

And so it should,it's a disgrace!
This is no Labour party I would want to be part of or vote for ever again!

[mattheus]

On a more wider basis, it shows the limitation of the law which prevents the support of terrorist organisations.. which is, it doesn't actually work if alot of people still support tgat organisations...

..banning the support of organisations which are classed as terrorist organisations doesn't actually stop people feeling emotions or being scared or acting out of fear or hate....

..banning far right organisations, doesn't stop people feeling that, for want of a better word, the culture of Britain is changing.. and I don't think having an more laws will change that... we need to be more open .. we need to stop relying on laws but work towards social change where organisations both spiritual, religious, sporting and governmental work together to provide better integration..

...I'd like an alternative football or rugby league based around faith rather than location... that would be amazing, I'd love to be invited to religious festivals outside of the traditional Christian calendar.. at present the point where we have integrated is food - Friday night curry, Saturday night chinese, Sunday full roast... but it doesn't end there...

Two hours cycle ride north of me, is Weston-super-Mare.. there's plans for a new mosque.. apparently its got people very upset... perhaps if these people became more involved, spent sometime praying with other people then it's not a scary thing, it's a place of worship..

This seems like a wrthwhile petition . Other recommendations welcome!

https://action.greenpeace.org.uk/protec ... to-protest

(185,000 so far)

[Snoopy]

Some acts not covered by anti terrorism legislation ,used to classed as subversive activity either carried out by another country's agents or home grown groups .
In this case it was more than just plain criminal damage .
Most subversive activity now takes place on the Internet often in plain sight . Folk read a narrative and it confirms their view on a subject and away they go, drawing others along with them .
Social media is something of a problem for governments in the west .
China on the other hand keeps a tight hand on it .

[Carlton green]

.......This will come to haunt Starmer and Yvette I am sure.

And so it should,it's a disgrace!
This is no Labour party I would want to be part of or vote for ever again!

I suggest that you and others of a similar mind have a quiet think about things. imho it’d be really stupid to let Farage into power so use your vote to stop that happening, the local candidate most likely to stop a future rightwing government is usually Labour.

It is better by far to have an imperfect Labour Government than anything to the right of it, remember that we only have a Labour Government now because Reform split the Tory vote.

Please be wise, please be pragmatic, and please understand the need to get behind Labour.

[Mike Sales]

.......This will come to haunt Starmer and Yvette I am sure.

And so it should,it's a disgrace!
This is no Labour party I would want to be part of or vote for ever again!

I suggest that you and others of a similar mind have a quiet think about things. imho it’d be really stupid to let Farage into power so use your vote to stop that happening, the local candidate most likely to stop a future rightwing government is usually Labour.

It is better by far to have an imperfect Labour Government than anything to the right of it, remember that we only have a Labour Government now because Reform split the Tory vote.

Please be wise, please be pragmatic, and please understand the need to get behind Labour.

I live in the constituency represented by Tice, and in the last election the Tories were second and Labour a poor third. I'm not going to vote Tory, and a vote for Labour would be wasted. I expect to vote Green in the faint hope that it might help move Labour in that direction.