Labour's 10 year NHS plan

[reohn2]

One half of the world can't get enough to eat,the other half can't stop themselves from eating too much........

[djnotts]

One half of the world can't get enough to eat,the other half can't stop themselves from eating too much........

80/20 rather than 50/50 I'd guess?

[reohn2]

One half of the world can't get enough to eat,the other half can't stop themselves from eating too much........

80/20 rather than 50/50 I'd guess?

Perhaps.

[mjr]

At least one of you will know this already, but it's often been observed that the most cost-effective way to provide hospitals is to knock the old one down every 20 to 25 years and rebuild. That's because the cost of refitting with modern technology to modern standards is so much higher than new build.

I can believe it. My local hospital is about 45 years into its 30 year lifespan now, shot through with crumbling RAAC. The roof is held up with thousands of props and held shut by rubber membrane. So it's to be replaced with a new hospital built alongside, which is said to follow the "Hospital 2.0" design. Does anyone know if that includes any features to ease refits, or are we going to repeat this painful rebuild process again in a few decades?

If not, does Hospital 2.0 include anything to ease rebuilds? Maybe the much-taked-about "modular design" might let them replace it module-by-module, or at least in clusters of modules.

[Jdsk]

Hospital 2.0 is modular and standardised:
https://www.europeanhealthcaredesign.eu ... tient-care

Jonathan

[mjr]

Hospital 2.0 is modular and standardised:
https://www.europeanhealthcaredesign.eu ... tient-care

I know it's modular and standardised and, at first glance, that link doesn't seem to mention refits or rebuilds?

[djnotts]

At least the state can recoup some of the "costs" of obesity beyond , rather into, the grave! With a sub-20 BMI will I get a discount.......

BBC News, England.

"The introduction by a council of a so-called "fat tax" for wider burial plots at one of its cemeteries has been criticised by residents and a funeral director.

At Danescourt cemetery in Tettenhall, Wolverhampton, it will cost families £2,700 if they need to buy a 6ft wide plot, a 20% increase on the cost of a standard 5ft grave.

Funeral director Ross Hickton said the decision was "not really acceptable or fair" and labelled it a "fat tax"."

Burn , man, burn.

[Cugel]

At least the state can recoup some of the "costs" of obesity beyond , rather into, the grave! With a sub-20 BMI will I get a discount.......

BBC News, England.

"The introduction by a council of a so-called "fat tax" for wider burial plots at one of its cemeteries has been criticised by residents and a funeral director.

At Danescourt cemetery in Tettenhall, Wolverhampton, it will cost families £2,700 if they need to buy a 6ft wide plot, a 20% increase on the cost of a standard 5ft grave.

Funeral director Ross Hickton said the decision was "not really acceptable or fair" and labelled it a "fat tax"."

Burn , man, burn.

We humans! Self-centred little skinbags (or even big ones) wanting acres of good land for our corpseses when it could be growing beets and cabbages.

Perhaps there's an opportunity for some entrepreneur to set up a Soylent Green factory instead? They'd have to find a new and more attractive name for their product. "Corpse-gruel" wouldn't do, really. Perhaps "Grandma's Excellent Pie Filling"?

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Myself, I'm leaving my body to science, as an example of a perfekly-honed ole gimmer courtesy of cycling, swimming and dog walking, not to mention the nutritious recipes of the ladywife. She, by the way, suggests that my corpse should be tossed into the garden as a dog plaything and gnawing treat; and, later, good compost for a new apple tree.

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Although a great admirer of the NHS and its past services fixing the broken bones of my yoof and the later lymphoma, I try to stay away from docs and hospitals. An appointment there can be the beginning of the end! Also, they're still doing assisted-living rather than assisted-dying. I have a fear of being tortured whilst unable to resist.

[djnotts]

^Cugel:

"Perhaps "Grandma's Excellent Pie Filling"?"

Nice! New emphasis on old style "Family Butchers" (which always made me, being a literalist, a little uneasy).

"Although a great admirer of the NHS and its past services fixing the broken bones of my yoof and the later lymphoma, I try to stay away from docs and hospitals. An appointment there can be the beginning of the end! Also, they're still doing assisted-living rather than assisted-dying. I have a fear of being tortured whilst unable to resist."

Yes but.....I don't have a RT machine at home. Although now seems a recurrence, only the hospital could have given me an extra 4 years of good life despite high risk prostate cancer. Selfish I know, but it's difficult to be so noble as to say "society as a whole will not benefit from my continuing existence so, rather than taking up resources, kill me now....." I came near to refusing any treatment, but my partner and my children while saying "of course your decision...." made their preference clear. It involved little discomfort so I followed the medical advice.



Right with you on "assisted living" and what in effect is torture - I watched my wife put through it. She had not done any "refusal of treatment" so the medics could not be stopped. I have and believe my children will ensure that I am allowed to die if I am unable to so assert for myself.

[axel_knutt]

My local hospital is about 45 years into its 30 year lifespan now, shot through with crumbling RAAC. The roof is held up with thousands of props and held shut by rubber membrane. So it's to be replaced with a new hospital built alongside, which is said to follow the "Hospital 2.0" design. Does anyone know if that includes any features to ease refits, or are we going to repeat this painful rebuild process again in a few decades?

If not, does Hospital 2.0 include anything to ease rebuilds? Maybe the much-taked-about "modular design" might let them replace it module-by-module, or at least in clusters of modules.

Kings Lynn?

Look East reporter: "It's a prefab, is that going to last any longer than the RAAC?"
Spokesman: "Yes, it's designed to last 40 years".

[djnotts]

Trebling price of weight loss injections might scupper the entire plan!

[mjr]

Trebling price of weight loss injections might scupper the entire plan!

I've missed something: why would that happen?

[djnotts]

Trebling price of weight loss injections might scupper the entire plan!

I've missed something: why would that happen?

Numerous sources including (dubious) front pages:

""Cost of fat jabs to triple" reads the Metro's headline....... The US pharmaceutical firm behind the weightloss drug Mounjaro is increasing the price of the jabs, according to the report. It says what is known as a "kwikpen", which contains four weekly shots of the highest dose, will go from £122 to £330. That would bring the annual cost for users to around £4330." (BBC News round up)

Also referenced in more trustworthy sources! Pressure from Trump on pharma prices in Europe c.f. USA.

Over half of sales in UK off-prescription.

[mjr]

Trebling price of weight loss injections might scupper the entire plan!

I've missed something: why would that happen?

Numerous sources including (dubious) front pages:

""Cost of fat jabs to triple" reads the Metro's headline....... The US pharmaceutical firm behind the weightloss drug Mounjaro is increasing the price of the jabs, according to the report. It says what is known as a "kwikpen", which contains four weekly shots of the highest dose, will go from £122 to £330. That would bring the annual cost for users to around £4330." (BBC News round up)

Also referenced in more trustworthy sources! Pressure from Trump on pharma prices in Europe c.f. USA.

Over half of sales in UK off-prescription.

OK, well, Ozempic's maker is Danish so won't be hit by the tariff wars the same and may find it harder to sell into the US so more for the rest, so while this isn't great, it doesn't seem enough to scupper it all, does it?

[Jdsk]

Trebling price of weight loss injections might scupper the entire plan!

I've missed something: why would that happen?

Numerous sources including (dubious) front pages:

""Cost of fat jabs to triple" reads the Metro's headline....... The US pharmaceutical firm behind the weightloss drug Mounjaro is increasing the price of the jabs, according to the report. It says what is known as a "kwikpen", which contains four weekly shots of the highest dose, will go from £122 to £330. That would bring the annual cost for users to around £4330." (BBC News round up)

Also referenced in more trustworthy sources! Pressure from Trump on pharma prices in Europe c.f. USA.

Over half of sales in UK off-prescription.

My emboldening.

Are you sure about that?

Thanks

Jonathan