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[Cunobelin]

The 100 day return still exists!

[reohn2]

Calling Mr (or Mrs) JWarner hello has anyone seen him/her?

[leftpoole]

As for exorbitant UK wages etc,a man has to live in the country he works in(mostly anyway)with all the costs of living in that country entails.
John28july I'd stop digging if I were you, as assume you live hear too.


Hello,
Yes I do live........here.............I do not live on bountiful wages. I live a very sparse life. I like riding bikes. I have a small number. I still think that the wages in England are too high. It is the greed of many which has made this happen, not the few. I do not belive in your 'Fair Trade' nonsense, as a worker in whatever country we buy from lives to his or her means, the same cannot be said of people in this country!
End of Poloitical rant. Lets just talk about cycling-I LOVE IT.
John.

[2Tubs]

As for exorbitant UK wages etc,a man has to live in the country he works in(mostly anyway)with all the costs of living in that country entails.
John28july I'd stop digging if I were you, as assume you live hear too.


Hello,
Yes I do live........here.............I do not live on bountiful wages. I live a very sparse life. I like riding bikes. I have a small number. I still think that the wages in England are too high. It is the greed of many which has made this happen, not the few. I do not belive in your 'Fair Trade' nonsense, as a worker in whatever country we buy from lives to his or her means, the same cannot be said of people in this country!
End of Poloitical rant. Lets just talk about cycling-I LOVE IT.
John.

What?

You appear to be saying that poverty in developing countries is the fault of exploited workers for not living to their means?

Wow, John, that's the greatest display of ignorance I have ever seen on a forum.

There is a difference between our world and theirs. In our world, the low waged are guaranteed a minimum wage and the support fro the state in healthcare, education and so on.

All too often, "their" world has no support from the state. If they get sick and can't afford treatment, they have to go without. If their children are to be educated, it has to be paid for. But the children don't often have the time because they're either looking after the youngest children or working on order to feed the family. And often working to produce those cheap products you buy, the ones where the UK prices are a rip off.

I ask, whom exactly, is ripping of who?

Gazza

[2Tubs]

Calling Mr (or Mrs) JWarner hello has anyone seen him/her?

Stop baiting, you tinker >;o)

Gazza

[leftpoole]

As for exorbitant UK wages etc,a man has to live in the country he works in(mostly anyway)with all the costs of living in that country entails.
John28july I'd stop digging if I were you, as assume you live hear too.


Hello,
Yes I do live........here.............I do not live on bountiful wages. I live a very sparse life. I like riding bikes. I have a small number. I still think that the wages in England are too high. It is the greed of many which has made this happen, not the few. I do not belive in your 'Fair Trade' nonsense, as a worker in whatever country we buy from lives to his or her means, the same cannot be said of people in this country!
End of Poloitical rant. Lets just talk about cycling-I LOVE IT.
John.

What?


Hello,
I think that you and I are possibly real opposites of the spectrum. The World has not enough resources for all of us to live as we wish. Therefore some suffer. I do not agree with it, but it is fact. Nothing that you or I do to help will make a difference. The people suffering need to look after themselves. If that means no more babies-so be it. No more food should mean no more babies.
However the main point I was making has nothing to do with your particular thing, indeed far from it. The wages in Taiwan and such are market rates and those people live OK. I do not see Third World people building frames for UK. India may build bikes but they are generally rubbish as far as I can tell.
Dont get so upset-its all opinions after all.
John.

You appear to be saying that poverty in developing countries is the fault of exploited workers for not living to their means?

Wow, John, that's the greatest display of ignorance I have ever seen on a forum.

There is a difference between our world and theirs. In our world, the low waged are guaranteed a minimum wage and the support fro the state in healthcare, education and so on.

All too often, "their" world has no support from the state. If they get sick and can't afford treatment, they have to go without. If their children are to be educated, it has to be paid for. But the children don't often have the time because they're either looking after the youngest children or working on order to feed the family. And often working to produce those cheap products you buy, the ones where the UK prices are a rip off.

I ask, whom exactly, is ripping of who?

Gazza

[2Tubs]

As for exorbitant UK wages etc,a man has to live in the country he works in(mostly anyway)with all the costs of living in that country entails.
John28july I'd stop digging if I were you, as assume you live hear too.


Hello,
Yes I do live........here.............I do not live on bountiful wages. I live a very sparse life. I like riding bikes. I have a small number. I still think that the wages in England are too high. It is the greed of many which has made this happen, not the few. I do not belive in your 'Fair Trade' nonsense, as a worker in whatever country we buy from lives to his or her means, the same cannot be said of people in this country!
End of Poloitical rant. Lets just talk about cycling-I LOVE IT.
John.

What?


Hello,
I think that you and I are possibly real opposites of the spectrum. The World has not enough resources for all of us to live as we wish. Therefore some suffer. I do not agree with it, but it is fact. Nothing that you or I do to help will make a difference. The people suffering need to look after themselves. If that means no more babies-so be it. No more food should mean no more babies.
However the main point I was making has nothing to do with your particular thing, indeed far from it. The wages in Taiwan and such are market rates and those people live OK. I do not see Third World people building frames for UK. India may build bikes but they are generally rubbish as far as I can tell.
Dont get so upset-its all opinions after all.
John.

You appear to be saying that poverty in developing countries is the fault of exploited workers for not living to their means?

Wow, John, that's the greatest display of ignorance I have ever seen on a forum.

There is a difference between our world and theirs. In our world, the low waged are guaranteed a minimum wage and the support fro the state in healthcare, education and so on.

All too often, "their" world has no support from the state. If they get sick and can't afford treatment, they have to go without. If their children are to be educated, it has to be paid for. But the children don't often have the time because they're either looking after the youngest children or working on order to feed the family. And often working to produce those cheap products you buy, the ones where the UK prices are a rip off.

I ask, whom exactly, is ripping of who?

Gazza

There are enough resources to clothe, feed, water, educate and treat every man woman and child many times over.

Whenever you see a famine on TV, the shortage is not in food, it's in money. The rich of the affected country are fine.

And unfair trading keeps people poor.

You might be happy to justify the continued misery of the worlds most vulnerable people as "something that is just going to happen" but I would rather not contribute to that.

I believe its time the trade rules were re-written not in the favour of the rich (and of course they are, it's the rich that wrote 'em), but as a fair system to all.

Gazza

[leftpoole]

As for exorbitant UK wages etc,a man has to live in the country he works in(mostly anyway)with all the costs of living in that country entails.
John28july I'd stop digging if I were you, as assume you live hear too.


Hello,
Yes I do live........here.............I do not live on bountiful wages. I live a very sparse life. I like riding bikes. I have a small number. I still think that the wages in England are too high. It is the greed of many which has made this happen, not the few. I do not belive in your 'Fair Trade' nonsense, as a worker in whatever country we buy from lives to his or her means, the same cannot be said of people in this country!
End of Poloitical rant. Lets just talk about cycling-I LOVE IT.
John.

What?


Hello,
I think that you and I are possibly real opposites of the spectrum. The World has not enough resources for all of us to live as we wish. Therefore some suffer. I do not agree with it, but it is fact. Nothing that you or I do to help will make a difference. The people suffering need to look after themselves. If that means no more babies-so be it. No more food should mean no more babies.
However the main point I was making has nothing to do with your particular thing, indeed far from it. The wages in Taiwan and such are market rates and those people live OK. I do not see Third World people building frames for UK. India may build bikes but they are generally rubbish as far as I can tell.
Dont get so upset-its all opinions after all.
John.

You appear to be saying that poverty in developing countries is the fault of exploited workers for not living to their means?

Wow, John, that's the greatest display of ignorance I have ever seen on a forum.

There is a difference between our world and theirs. In our world, the low waged are guaranteed a minimum wage and the support fro the state in healthcare, education and so on.

All too often, "their" world has no support from the state. If they get sick and can't afford treatment, they have to go without. If their children are to be educated, it has to be paid for. But the children don't often have the time because they're either looking after the youngest children or working on order to feed the family. And often working to produce those cheap products you buy, the ones where the UK prices are a rip off.

I ask, whom exactly, is ripping of who?

Gazza

There are enough resources to clothe, feed, water, educate and treat every man woman and child many times over.

Whenever you see a famine on TV, the shortage is not in food, it's in money. The rich of the affected country are fine.

And unfair trading keeps people poor.

You might be happy to justify the continued misery of the worlds most vulnerable people as "something that is just going to happen" but I would rather not contribute to that.

I believe its time the trade rules were re-written not in the favour of the rich (and of course they are, it's the rich that wrote 'em), but as a fair system to all.

Gazza

I agree in principal, but it aint gonna happen soon is it?
I am 58 Years old. I will hopefully make 70 and toddle off. The World has enough for my lifetime. Its in 50 Years that man will realize people eat food and there is not enough food to go round. The rich will suffer too because famine hurts all. Once those contries have become completely barren and the people have gone, where will they go? They will continue to invade your lives and take your food and your childrens food and grandchildrens food. I will be OK.
I agree in principal.
This is after all a Forum for cyclists, and as we all know, cyclists are a reasonable type.
John.

[reohn2]

As for exorbitant UK wages etc,a man has to live in the country he works in(mostly anyway)with all the costs of living in that country entails.
John28july I'd stop digging if I were you, as assume you live hear too.


Hello,
Yes I do live........here.............I do not live on bountiful wages. I live a very sparse life. I like riding bikes. I have a small number. I still think that the wages in England are too high. It is the greed of many which has made this happen, not the few. I do not belive in your 'Fair Trade' nonsense, as a worker in whatever country we buy from lives to his or her means, the same cannot be said of people in this country!
End of Poloitical rant. Lets just talk about cycling-I LOVE IT.
John.

The only thing I can say to you John,is I don't agree with you.
2Tubs has just about covered it AFAIK.
I have three daughters all three married and can honestly they and their respective partners are not living the life of Riley as you seem to think.Some people are earning fantastic wages but most aren't.
BTW it was you who bought politricks and UK wages into this thread not I.

[reohn2]

Calling Mr (or Mrs) JWarner hello has anyone seen him/her?

Stop baiting, you tinker >;o)

Gazza

Gazza
I'm not baiting just asking for some clarification because Jwarner is talking out of the back of his head IMO,or I and the other owners of these bikes could be completely wrong and in need of some tuition on the finer points of cycle frame/fork building, so as such need the advise of JWarner's undoubted expert opinion.
I'm (as indeed I've no doubt others are)always willing to sit at the feet of a master and learn.

[meddyg]

what's the overall weight of the completed machine; Thorn is all steel I think?

[reohn2]

what's the overall weight of the completed machine; Thorn is all steel I think?

My Thorn Audax Mk3 weighs approx 11kgs(24lbs) with M/guards, Ultegra G/set and old 600 Chainset.

[DaveP]

We need to get samples of pink and green bikes up as well.

Coming soon - finally got a full set of bits. I think

[aesmith]

12kg for mine I reckon. Mudguards, mostly Shimano 105 groupset, and including pump and bag with tube/lever/repair kit. Platform pedals and clips are maybe a bit heavier than SPDs are they? (but the shoes will be lighter)

[DaveP]

Added preliminary photo of green version to Reohn2's thread in Goods and Services!
Pink one required...