What Style of Bike For Comfort To Replace My Hybrid

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pjclinch wrote: 12 Apr 2026, 8:12am The thing about bar styles and handling variations exists but is more about a personal interaction than drops work the same for everyone and flats work the same for everyone.
If you wheel a bike by the saddle you can steer it just the same by gently leaning it irrespective of what bar type it has, the lean of the bike turns the fork, not manhandling the bars, and if you do most of your steering effort by leaning the bike rather than manhandling the bars the bar type has much less effect on handling.
It's also the case that leaning weight on the bars (whatever sort) is not only uncomfortable for wrists but works against the bike being steered by leaning. Pushing down and forwards on both sides tends to prevent the fork from turning naturally with the lean of the bike, and that makes the handling feel off.......................
Pete.
I think riding a bike is a learned (conditioned) reflex and you lean and steer simultaneously.
I don't think the force generated by the front wheel "flopping" as you lean the bike is enough to move the handlebars if you are holding the bars.
On a motorcycle which is much heavier than the rider you can lean the bike by "countersteering" to initiate the lean....steer left without leaning left, and the bike will lean right, then you can steer to turn right.
I don't think thats a natural way to steer a bicycle which is lighter than the rider.
Bike fitting D.I.Y. .....http://wheel-easy.org.uk/wp-content/upl ... -2017a.pdf
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Jdsk wrote: 11 Apr 2026, 8:31pm
bertie1969 wrote: 11 Apr 2026, 8:29pm How do i find colins guide as this site does not let you search through the members, is it a sticky on one of the forum sections?
https://wheel-easy.org.uk/wp-content/up ... -2017a.pdf

Jonathan
thanks for the link mate :)
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Nearholmer wrote: 11 Apr 2026, 9:00pm
When it comes to wheel size is wider tyres better than 40mm to 45mm?
There is a degree of personal taste in tyre sizes, so take what I say only as my preference, but:

For riding only on paved surfaces, so roads and respectably paved cycle ways, I find 32 to 35mm about right, fast enough, but comfy enough.

However, I ride on a right mix of surfaces, a lot of bumpy paved paths, and unpaved ground of all sorts, some of which is seriously bumpy, so I’ve been using 40mm tubeless on the bikes that I use on rougher ground for several years now, and they are a good compromise. Not too draggy on the road, and just about wide enough off-road.

As it happens, the bike in the photo gets used almost exclusively on rougher ground, and when those tyres wear out it is going to get 45mm ones, the biggest it will take. Ideally, that particular bike would get 50mm ones.

Tyres are a big subject though, because two tyres of the same size can be very different, and not just smooth or variously knobbly, some are famously stiff, some very draggy, others very supple. If you can describe the surfaces along your commuting route, people here will almost certainly be able to give recommendations.
Many thanks for your reply. I went out a 6m ride yesterday, set the pressures to 60psi, its still horrible to ride. I dont know if this is normal but i hate riding my bike, its like a rigid boneshaker and its only good on smooth roads. Im not even sure if bigger tyres would be enough.

The roads around here are a nightmare with pot holes, drains, tram lines, lumps missing, some of the cycle paths are worse than the roads. Maybe my particular bike is not good for these conditions. I cant help but think a front suspension mountain bike would be better.
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531colin wrote: 13 Apr 2026, 9:39am
pjclinch wrote: 12 Apr 2026, 8:12am The thing about bar styles and handling variations exists but is more about a personal interaction than drops work the same for everyone and flats work the same for everyone.
If you wheel a bike by the saddle you can steer it just the same by gently leaning it irrespective of what bar type it has, the lean of the bike turns the fork, not manhandling the bars, and if you do most of your steering effort by leaning the bike rather than manhandling the bars the bar type has much less effect on handling.
It's also the case that leaning weight on the bars (whatever sort) is not only uncomfortable for wrists but works against the bike being steered by leaning. Pushing down and forwards on both sides tends to prevent the fork from turning naturally with the lean of the bike, and that makes the handling feel off.......................
Pete.
I think riding a bike is a learned (conditioned) reflex and you lean and steer simultaneously.
I don't think the force generated by the front wheel "flopping" as you lean the bike is enough to move the handlebars if you are holding the bars.
On a motorcycle which is much heavier than the rider you can lean the bike by "countersteering" to initiate the lean....steer left without leaning left, and the bike will lean right, then you can steer to turn right.
I don't think thats a natural way to steer a bicycle which is lighter than the rider.
many thanks for your reply, very interesting information. My problem could be like what pjclich suggested, im leaning too hard on my bars and its affecting how i ride my bike, the steering on this bike has always felt a bit off, that is probably why, i have somehow got into this habit.
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bertie1969 wrote: 11 Apr 2026, 7:11pm I read you can fit an accelerator as long as you get the bike approved.
I think you should check this out thoroughly before spending any money!
As you say you are not altogether fit, I think you should consider the benefits of a step through frame for any new bike you might purchase.
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bertie1969 wrote: 11 Apr 2026, 7:11pm I read you can fit an accelerator as long as you get the bike approved.
I think you should check this out thoroughly before spending any money!
As you say you are not altogether fit, I think you should consider the benefits of a step through frame for any new bike you might purchase.
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531colin wrote: 13 Apr 2026, 9:39am
I think riding a bike is a learned (conditioned) reflex and you lean and steer simultaneously.
I don't think the force generated by the front wheel "flopping" as you lean the bike is enough to move the handlebars if you are holding the bars.
On a motorcycle which is much heavier than the rider you can lean the bike by "countersteering" to initiate the lean....steer left without leaning left, and the bike will lean right, then you can steer to turn right.
I don't think thats a natural way to steer a bicycle which is lighter than the rider.
It is a learned reflex, but I think leaning and steering aren't so much two things you do simultaneously as they're all part of the same thing.

If you ride no handed, or push the bike from the saddle, you can steer the bike by leaning it. The fact that steering is available when not touching the bars shows that it must be possible to orient the forks by leaning. Holding the bars only prevents this if you're gripping them more than you need to, and I find cornering works progressively better the less I try and over-rule where they want to naturally go, so it's the lean of the bike that controls how much the fork turns and not what my hands are doing. At any given lean the bike should have a natural cornering line, and "light hands" make that easier to find.

Having read about counter-steering I tried it and it does work, but it seems like a rather elaborate way of getting the bike to lean into the turn compared to just flicking my hips much as I would if I were riding no-hands.

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Ron wrote: 13 Apr 2026, 11:59am
bertie1969 wrote: 11 Apr 2026, 7:11pm I read you can fit an accelerator as long as you get the bike approved.
I think you should check this out thoroughly before spending any money!
As you say you are not altogether fit, I think you should consider the benefits of a step through frame for any new bike you might purchase.
Thanks for your reply. I would like a step through bike. I might put the accelerator on hold as they can be an expensive option. I think its the lazy part of me that thinks it would be useful for getting about. ;)
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Ron wrote: 13 Apr 2026, 11:59am As you say you are not altogether fit, I think you should consider the benefits of a step through frame for any new bike you might purchase.
I'm a big fan of step-through frames in various contexts but I don't really understand what they've got to do with fitness or lack thereof...
In any case, for anyone, consider the pros and cons of different frame types before choosing one.

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Hey guys i just popped out on my bike, these winged bar grips seem to be a real problem for me.

I will post pics soon of me sitting on the bike. I took a wee video and i just need to get some screen shots.

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pjclinch wrote: 12 Apr 2026, 8:12am The thing about bar styles and handling variations exists but is more about a personal interaction than drops work the same for everyone and flats work the same for everyone.
If you wheel a bike by the saddle you can steer it just the same by gently leaning it irrespective of what bar type it has, the lean of the bike turns the fork, not manhandling the bars, and if you do most of your steering effort by leaning the bike rather than manhandling the bars the bar type has much less effect on handling.
It's also the case that leaning weight on the bars (whatever sort) is not only uncomfortable for wrists but works against the bike being steered by leaning. Pushing down and forwards on both sides tends to prevent the fork from turning naturally with the lean of the bike, and that makes the handling feel off.

In other words, don't assume you need to drop bars for decent handling, though maybe a bit of re-learning of steering with more emphasis on leaning the bike with your hips would help, possibly along with changing your riding position so you're not leaning on the bars.

A modern mountain bike (e or otherwise) is designed for technical trails with drop-offs, rock gardens and some degree of getting air, and the forks are designed with that in mind, i.e. taking fairly big hits. On the road or smoothish tracks that translates as being over-engineered for the job in hand and consequently not actually that good at it (like a sledgehammer to crack a nut), so if you're not actually mountain biking you pay money for a heavier, slower bike.
Suspension is potentially a Good Thing, but if you can get something tuned to the sort of riding you're doing tends to be best. On the road you only really need < 5 cm of travel.

Saddles are personal taste, and mostly about shape. It's also the case that saddles provided on new bikes tend to be "contractual obligation" torture devices, working on the principle that most people will change them for something that's right for them. To find a good saddle, sit on a load, and preferably ride on them for a bit.

"Comfy grips" are a Good Thing, but the real key to comfortable hands is not putting much weight on them (a combination of riding position and habit). So by all means invest in comfy grips, but lean on your hands for any length of time and unless you do hundreds of push-ups a day it probably won't be very comfortable.

For choosing a bike, e or otherwise, it never hurts to try a load out. If you're going electric and what you really want is comfort on roads and good tracks you don't need anything special and the Dutch have these angles well covered. An upright sitting position makes keeping weight off hands relatively easy and that you catch the wind more is handled by the e-assist. A modern electric Dutch bike actually handles fine, something like https://www.gazellebikes.com/en-gb/ebikes/chamonix might not look cool and sporty but as I get older I'm far more interested in comfort and practicality than a sporty image.

Pete.
Many thanks for your reply this is all very good information indeed.

I think you are right that i am leaning too much on the bars and my steering is also affected. Actually i think these winged grips could be causing me the discomfort in my hands. I do feel as though im leaning forward too much. I will post pics soon of me sitting on the bike.

I am unable to test any saddles im afraid, i would not know what to look for anyways. Maybe i should buy padded shorts like i used to have on my road bike. I Plan on changing my bike anyway so i will see how my new saddle feels.

The gazelle bikes look good. My max budget is around £1200 so im probably best looking in the used adverts.
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pjclinch wrote: 13 Apr 2026, 1:14pm
I'm a big fan of step-through frames in various contexts but I don't really understand what they've got to do with fitness or lack thereof...
In any case, for anyone, consider the pros and cons of different frame types before choosing one.

Pete.
when your old and stiff like me mounting a bike can be tricky as i struggle to even raise my leg high when changing my jeans, i can still swing my leg over the back of my bike. I can only hope that i get motivated and get fitter and more flexible. I struggle to even go to the local shop on foot or bike at times. I get everything delivered including my shopping. I have become a recluse lol.
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bertie1969 wrote: 13 Apr 2026, 1:30pm
I think you are right that i am leaning too much on the bars and my steering is also affected. Actually i think these winged grips could be causing me the discomfort in my hands. I do feel as though im leaning forward too much. I will post pics soon of me sitting on the bike.
531Colin's advice to move the seat back may sound counter-intuitive here, as with all else equal moving it back means more lean, but it's a lean from a position of balance so you don't actually need weight on your hands to prop your body up (the weight is on your seat and your feet).
bertie1969 wrote: 13 Apr 2026, 1:30pm I am unable to test any saddles im afraid, i would not know what to look for anyways. Maybe i should buy padded shorts like i used to have on my road bike. I Plan on changing my bike anyway so i will see how my new saddle feels.
To test saddles out you're not looking but more feeling. Sit on a load, your bottom should tell you which one it's happiest on.

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This is my bike showing the bar and seat height, i have put the seat down 25mm from where it was before. My bike does not allow much adjustment of the bar height.

when i lock my knee i am raised out of my seat
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Jdsk wrote: 12 Apr 2026, 8:41am
Jdsk wrote: 11 Apr 2026, 8:31pm
bertie1969 wrote: 11 Apr 2026, 8:29pm How do i find colins guide as this site does not let you search through the members, is it a sticky on one of the forum sections?
https://wheel-easy.org.uk/wp-content/up ... -2017a.pdf
Thanks for the photos of the bike. It would help to see some of you riding it: feet on the pedals, hands in their most common position on the bars, close-ups of the hands and wrists.

Do you think that you'll be able to adjust the fit following that guide?
Thanks for the photos.

I suggest that you start with working through the guide. Are you happy to adjust the seat up and down and forwards and backwards? When those are done please add some photos of the new position.

I suspect that we'll come back to moving the bars. (Photos showing type are already upthread.)

Jonathan
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