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For some years my thoughts have been changing, perhaps even doing a ‘U turn’, with regard to acquisition and constantly striving for better rather than enjoying what I already had - I find that the acquisition disease has infected most of humanity. My excuse is that having known (been pained by) what it’s like to have too little I became determined to maximise whatever little wealths that I could - can’t say I’ve been remarkably successful, but I’ve done alright.

I’ve recently come across the concept of enoughfluencing and it really chimes with me now as I strive to reject automatically seeking ‘more’ and try to enjoy simpler things and what I already have.
Similar to de-influencing, enoughfluencing encourages individuals to love what they have rather than constantly striving for the next thing. In today’s influencer culture, we are conditioned to want more. More beauty products, more clothes, more accessories, more supplements, more luxury, more travel, etc.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/enoughf ... ve-simply/

That’s the drift of things, knowing what we need and rejecting driven consumerism and acquisition; trying to focus on what makes for a better life and that happiness isn’t a new car but rather quality time spent with people important to you.

What are your thoughts and experiences?
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Carlton green wrote: 12 Apr 2026, 8:39pm For some years my thoughts have been changing, perhaps even doing a ‘U turn’, with regard to acquisition and constantly striving for better rather than enjoying what I already had - I find that the acquisition disease has infected most of humanity. My excuse is that having known (been pained by) what it’s like to have too little I became determined to maximise whatever little wealths that I could - can’t say I’ve been remarkably successful, but I’ve done alright.

I’ve recently come across the concept of enoughfluencing and it really chimes with me now as I strive to reject automatically seeking ‘more’ and try to enjoy simpler things and what I already have.
Similar to de-influencing, enoughfluencing encourages individuals to love what they have rather than constantly striving for the next thing. In today’s influencer culture, we are conditioned to want more. More beauty products, more clothes, more accessories, more supplements, more luxury, more travel, etc.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/enoughf ... ve-simply/

That’s the drift of things, knowing what we need and rejecting driven consumerism and acquisition; trying to focus on what makes for a better life and that happiness isn’t a new car but rather quality time spent with people important to you.

What are your thoughts and experiences?
When I were a lad, 384 years ago, I was well-off but very poor at the same time. The poverty was purely that of cash and what it bought, which was very little and often nothing as the cash had gone before next wage-slave payment day. However, I had the newly-minted NHS, free education and a very cohesive socialism of neighbours that provided a lot of the sort of wealth no longer in fashion, not to mention small groups of other children who made a lot of adventure out of nothing at all beyond perhaps a bat and a ball and a lot of roaming about.

Some of my contemporaries, equally cash-poor throughout their youth, reacted by becoming the sort of avid consumers striving after wealth that you mention. For reasons I've never really understood, I was lucky enough not to be infected by that memeplex and often found it bizarre that some of my friends wanted to follow fashion, have the "pleasures" of owning a banger-car and were otherwise forever disappointed at not having more, more, more despite their large debts.

I remained cash-poor but happy until my late 30s, after which a career and my freely-got education allowed me to progress up a wage scale. Unlike others about the place, I didn't throw this wage into gew-gaws and fripperies, such as foreign holidays, a car or daft clothes-of-the-moment. No heavy drinking or fag-sucking either. In fact, I saved money and this had many benefits, including that of not forking out twice the price for a thing I did want via the mechanisms of usurious debt and interest payments thereupon.

These days I'm well off ..... but only in the sense that I can have what I want. (My income is less than the average wage by a significant degree). The trick is to not want much; and to make a great deal of what one does want. I've had vast amounts of pleasure from bicycles and woodworking tools, for example.

My current income is quite small by most standards. But I don't feel the need to waste it on tat that I imagine gives me some sort of essential status. When I see a dafty proudly piloting a Geet Big SUV that he can't really afford (or pilot well) it still makes me titter and smirk.
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Until you have a major health shock, family or personal, I think many will continue to be persuaded that the shiny new gizmo is essential to their happiness. How wrong they are.

Wealth doesn't always mean happiness. A prime example of this is President Trump. Megga wealthy but I'd say a man that can't find happiness.

I find my happiest place is when I'm busy and I can always find something to do.

More deeply I wonder if the way our economies are structured can always expand. More of everything each year doesn't seem sustainable endlessly.

I never have been the best in understanding or explaining my concerns on this scale, perhaps postings in this thread will shed some light on it for me.
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The trick is to not want much
Spot on Mr Cugel, Sir.

The word “enough” is one that we seem to have totally forgotten, if ever we knew it, so that a proportion of people now very definitely do not have enough, and a proportion of people have way more than enough.

We really ought to say enough is enough about numerous things, from the speed and size of cars, to the size of houses. To each according to need, and a bit more to add spice is enough.

My father was very good at it, having grown up very poor indeed, having an instinctive feeling for “enough”, and seeing absolutely zero point in going beyond it, one of my bro’s is, and a couple of guys I’ve worked with have been. I lost the plot on it a bit in mid years, maybe 30 to 55, but have definitely got my head back round it now, and not because I financially have to, but because it just seems totally inappropriate not to.
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Well, have a look at my signature - says it all... Very few newly manufactured things in our home, only some modern comfy sofas (antique ones are often not). Lots of old but beautiful and practical furnishings and objects.
You wont find a modern vehicle on our drive, just one thats identical to the current version without all the latest electronic crap. The owners forum is full of folk waffling on about how all this stuff doesnt work.
Car boots and auctions constantly entertain us. And occasionally we have a clearout using these venues.
Like many, in younger years I had a constant stream of Company Cars but never a non practical vehicle.
Had a lovely yacht owned with two lifelong friends that none of us could afford alone. And a lovely modest Cornish second home enjoyed for 10 years.
Travelled all over the world with my first wife, it eas her thing.
So, I have had it all modestly with a strict eye on affordability. And these days I try to be kinder to the planet...

Al
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A very commendable post.

(It led me to some googling, and reminding myself of the local repair cafe, and finding a Library of Things based in the same place!!!)

https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/home-ga ... -directory
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Nearholmer wrote: 13 Apr 2026, 9:04am
The trick is to not want much
Spot on Mr Cugel, Sir.

The word “enough” is one that we seem to have totally forgotten, if ever we knew it, so that a proportion of people now very definitely do not have enough, and a proportion of people have way more than enough.

We really ought to say enough is enough about numerous things, from the speed and size of cars, to the size of houses. To each according to need, and a bit more to add spice is enough.

My father was very good at it, having grown up very poor indeed, having an instinctive feeling for “enough”, and seeing absolutely zero point in going beyond it, one of my bro’s is, and a couple of guys I’ve worked with have been. I lost the plot on it a bit in mid years, maybe 30 to 55, but have definitely got my head back round it now, and not because I financially have to, but because it just seems totally inappropriate not to.
Yes, I think that Cugel ‘gets it’ too.

I’m minded that the major difficulty, for those that are interested, is how to judge what is enough and what has true value to them. We live in a world, and it has long been the case, where we’re driven by social expectations and general pre-programming so it’s hardly surprising that the concept of enough is lost. And then to confuse matters there’s living frugally and treading lightly which is an overlapping area of its own virtues. How do others gain that feel or evaluation for what is actually enough and how far through the breadth of their life do they apply it?
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al_yrpal wrote: 13 Apr 2026, 9:40am Well, have a look at my signature - says it all... Very few newly manufactured things in our home, only some modern comfy sofas (antique ones are often not). Lots of old but beautiful and practical furnishings and objects.
You wont find a modern vehicle on our drive, just one thats identical to the current version without all the latest electronic crap. The owners forum is full of folk waffling on about how all this stuff doesnt work.
Car boots and auctions constantly entertain us. And occasionally we have a clearout using these venues.
Like many, in younger years I had a constant stream of Company Cars but never a non practical vehicle.
Had a lovely yacht owned with two lifelong friends that none of us could afford alone. And a lovely modest Cornish second home enjoyed for 10 years.
Travelled all over the world with my first wife, it eas her thing.
So, I have had it all modestly with a strict eye on affordability. And these days I try to be kinder to the planet...

Al
Car boot sales - now a venue mostly for selling of stolen stuff, apparently. The days of them being a good self-made market for the thrifty seem long over. Now infested with thief-gangs.

Company cars, yachts and travel all over the world but you "have had it modestly"! Har har har, very droll. :-)

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It is tempting, even to a techno cynic like petit-moi, to gawp at then buy the latest gizmos. I have "fallen for" the tubeless tyre and also the disk brake. As you know, there are also them solar panels, batteries and even an e-car within me demesne. But some spends are more of a true investment than others, eh? Why put one's saving to moulder in a bank when the solar et al can save oodles of cash longer term?

I spent some of them savings on a vast array of woodturning tools, mind. Naughty-consumer moi. Would you like a nice wooden bowl? I've made dozens and dozens just lately!
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Car boot sales - now a venue mostly for selling of stolen stuff, apparently. The days of them being a good self-made market for the thrifty seem long over. Now infested with thief-gangs

Not true at all shows a glaring lack of knowledge and experience.

Sadly they are mostly a venue for the hard up Mums and Dads to recycle kids clothes and toys, and hopefuls to try and shift redundant china that no one really wants. There are the regular sellers too. Home grown plants at a fraction of the price of garden centres. Wooden items made from pallets - bird boxes, planters etc. Used tools. Clothing. Home made preserves. However amongst all the stuff there are sometimes interesting items with a history, Google lens is your friend to determine what something is and its value. Get there early and keep your eyes open.... A great recycling spot.

Al
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If there is a significant trend among younger people to resist pressures to acquire more and better material property, that would be interesting. Generally, young people are, I understand, the biggest consumers and drivers of economic growth, because they are at a stage in life where they typically need to buy lots of things for a home and family. They will often not be able to afford what they really want/need, and make do with something inferior which does not fulfill the requirements or which has a short lifespan, and so they will buy more (better) stuff as replacements over time. They will also tend to be more susceptible to societal, family and peer pressure to buy stuff.

It is a lot less remarkable that older people tend to be less interested in acquiring new things: they tend to already have everything they need, and age and experience mean they are more sceptical that anything new will be that much better than what they have.

If there were a such a trend among younger people and it was largely driven by themselves, e.g. sharing opinions and experience among their social groups and on social media, that makes me think that it possibly reflects a lack of communication and connection between the generations. In simple terms, I would have expected the lessons that enough is enough, and good enough is good enough, to be absorbed by younger people growing up and in earlier adulthood from older family members and friends. If all your fellow 30 something or 40 something friends, work colleagues and peers have - or aspire to have - something, it may be very difficult to resist the social pressure to do likewise, especially with the added pressure of the huge amounts of manipulative advertising to which we are subjected. Having older family role models may make a big difference to being able to resist such pressures.

Greed and materialism are not modern phenomena, but the extent to which they are now accepted and encouraged, is relatively modern.
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Expecting one generation to fully learn from the previous is expecting a lot, IMO, because every generation thinks it knows better than its parents, until it reaches the age the parents were when they issued whatever sage advice it was, at which point they find themselves issuing the same sage advice!

As it is, the postwar generations have actually been very poor tutors of “enough is enough”, because we’ve been the ones who have enthusiastically participated in a very significant increase in material prosperity, or a consumption-fest, depending upon how you look at it. What counts as “enough” in material terms now would have astonished most people in, say, the 1930s and 1940s.
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al_yrpal wrote: 13 Apr 2026, 11:36am Car boot sales - now a venue mostly for selling of stolen stuff, apparently. The days of them being a good self-made market for the thrifty seem long over. Now infested with thief-gangs

Not true at all shows a glaring lack of knowledge and experience.

Sadly they are mostly a venue for the hard up Mums and Dads to recycle kids clothes and toys, and hopefuls to try and shift redundant china that no one really wants. There are the regular sellers too. Home grown plants at a fraction of the price of garden centres. Wooden items made from pallets - bird boxes, planters etc. Used tools. Clothing. Home made preserves. However amongst all the stuff there are sometimes interesting items with a history, Google lens is your friend to determine what something is and its value. Get there early and keep your eyes open.... A great recycling spot.

Al
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ess-afraid.

A quote:

"It was the result of months of intelligence-gathering across the south-east in an operation known as Larkwood. Connolly has been working closely with Sgt Dave Catlow, who does similar work across Sidcup, Bexley and surrounding areas in south London.

A few years ago, Connolly and Catlow’s work was frequently taking them to car boot sales across London and Essex for compliance checks among sellers, and a picture began to emerge. Stolen tools were rife, often laid out on tarpaulins in stripes of red, yellow and blue – Milwaukee, DeWalt and Makita, the three most popular brands for tradies and thieves alike. They realised the thefts were being carried out not by isolated opportunists but by serious organised criminal gangs."


There are, of course, honest sellers of the second hand stuff. The problem now, though, is how to differentiate them from the increasing numbers of resellers of stolen stuff?

Sadly, many have become either desperately addicted consumers "looking for a bargain", inclined to ignore the possibility that what they're buying is stolen. Some market places are more controlled or resistant to the thieves selling their ill gotten gains. Car boots have virtually no controls over such selling.
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Dave....Tool theft is pretty common.
You can post Tidy storys as much as you like insinuating that car boots are full of thieves.

But, we visit 4 different local car boots with literally hundreds of sellers regularly and I can report that 75% of sellers here are honest regulars that we know and the rest probably one timers. We know the organisers well too and they are very mindful of theives and would instantly recognise and barr them.

Car boots are great recycling events. Support them and help save the planet!

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Less stuff, more joy: seven les­sons from ‘enough­flu­en­cers’ on how to live a hap­pier, sim­pler life
Here’s access to the Guardian article with its further description and pointers towards other material: https://www.pressreader.com/usa/the-gua ... 7628702983
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... mpler-life
In her new book, Not Need­ing New: A Prac­tical Guide to Find­ing the Joy of Enough, Kilpatrick lists the bene­fits of liv­ing with less: “An increased sense of calm, less anxi­ety through clut­ter, free time away from main­tain­ing the home, a health­ier bank bal­ance and reduced debt, chil­dren who are learn­ing how to man­age delayed grat­i­fic­a­tion.”
De-influencing is an overlapping topic that imho is worth looking towards too
'Maybe you'll realise what you have is good enough': Why influencers are facing a pushback
https://www.bbc.co.uk/culture/article/2 ... is-growing

I suspect that most members here are mindful to ignore obvious influencers but it struck me that those around us might be being drawn along by them, influencers are making money so what they do is effective for their paymasters and paid for by purchases - probably of items that weren’t needed.
did you want that product before it was marketed to you?
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Well, the BBC article days it all. So called 'influencers' wouldnt exist without the internet. Seems like its a new sickness of our modern age... Invent a name on steroids!

Al
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