Well, ran into my fourth hunting pack in three weeks today(on road). Hounds and horses everywhere, screams to edward, charles and james "it's a cyclist" and "it's that cyclist"
Given it's a fairly rural area, cyclists being unknown (I.e. the last cyclist I saw was 1500 miles ago back in september), I do take care; bells, whistles and horns are frowned upon (scares the horses), I tend to slow to to walking speed or a stop and rarely come within 20' of a horse, until they know I'm there. Little purpose served in being kicked by a 200kg animal
Yet still expressions of discontent are focused upon me and mutterings of "how you shouldn't be on these roads". Ironic really, when the 30-40 riders, 20 hounds and several land rovers obstruct the road in it's entity.
Whats the accepted convention in announcing to Henry and his horse, that a member of the lower class will be cycling by, without causing a panic
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professorlandslide
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Well considering its illegal now, they can go stick their head in a pig.. 
I'm not pro-recreational killing as you may have guessed... I am rural though, grew up in norfolk and now live in cornwall. They'd probably get a short two-syllable response from me, the only reason they wouldn't get a blast on the horn is that its not the horse's fault there's a git sat on it...
I'm not pro-recreational killing as you may have guessed... I am rural though, grew up in norfolk and now live in cornwall. They'd probably get a short two-syllable response from me, the only reason they wouldn't get a blast on the horn is that its not the horse's fault there's a git sat on it...
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reohn2
Re: hunting and cycling
gbnz wrote:Whats the accepted convention in announcing to Henry and his horse, that a member of the lower class will be cycling by, without causing a panic
Don't dress as a fox
We came across the Beaufort on our club run on Saturday. It looked like a large turnout, but we didn't see Charles or Camilla. I am not sure what they do now that traditional hunting is banned. Around these parts the lanes are often virtually impassable in the winter due to the mud churned up by their horseboxes. 
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Re: hunting and cycling
gbnz wrote:Whats the accepted convention in announcing to Henry and his horse, that a member of the lower class will be cycling by, without causing a panic
I believe the warning amongst equestrians is 'Behind.' (No confusion there because if they wanted to comment on the word associated in rhyming slang with 'Khyber,' being 'U' they'd just say it.)
As you're only on a bike (and bearing in mind what you say about the lower class) perhaps 'prole behind' or similar might do.
On an Audax we came across a hunt "road block". They had shut off the road by parking 4 land rovers along the road . They had not thought of cyclists and just looked stunned as we cycled past their barrier.
It is amazing the way that they ignore all laws and close off the public highways by direct action when they want to.
It is amazing the way that they ignore all laws and close off the public highways by direct action when they want to.
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reohn2
stephenjubb wrote:us lower classes are upper class compared to them
most of us don't participate in brutal hunting sports such as fox hunting in whatever form it is done as a sport.
sooner them than me, I can hold my head up high, I can cycle and get pleasure, don't need horses, dogs, foxes or shotguns to get my kicks.
maybe they've all got something missing and are a bit mental?
Its probably all the interbreeding (not the dogs)but in time honoured manor its another excuse for dressing up and going through a few rituals
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And the fox? I hear you ask,just a periferal on the fringes of the pageant.
All that bright clothing I ask you who in their right mind would go out dressed like that?
I've got 5 local hunts here, the Quorn, Cottesmore, Belvoir, Fernie and the Atherstone.
The main problem are the hunt followers who park their cars wherever they feel like and don't care whether they are blocking the narrow lanes or spreading even more muck around and so making the roads even more filthy and dangerous.
They have some delightful things you can buy.
http://www.the-rural-aspect.org.uk/bhsc/tab6.htm
The main problem are the hunt followers who park their cars wherever they feel like and don't care whether they are blocking the narrow lanes or spreading even more muck around and so making the roads even more filthy and dangerous.
They have some delightful things you can buy.
http://www.the-rural-aspect.org.uk/bhsc/tab6.htm
All these horsey groups have governing bodies and are often run by local people. Theres no harm making them aware of your concerns
Being rural and agricultural by inclination, i have no opinion on pack hunting (except that a lot of gvmnt time was wasted on it)
Horse riders can be polite or rude, a bit like drivers and cyclists.
Remember though horse riders are our natural allies on a lot of things. We have a funny relationship with cyclists. We're the same but different. (ie not cars, often doing the same as them ie out for a ride. Also we both have toned legs and and wear tight leggings).
Being rural and agricultural by inclination, i have no opinion on pack hunting (except that a lot of gvmnt time was wasted on it)
Horse riders can be polite or rude, a bit like drivers and cyclists.
Remember though horse riders are our natural allies on a lot of things. We have a funny relationship with cyclists. We're the same but different. (ie not cars, often doing the same as them ie out for a ride. Also we both have toned legs and and wear tight leggings).
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Amazing aint it? We've just had a thread where several have piled in because someone was thought to be stereotyping a cyclist based upon a brief observation of his dress, something he muttered and his actions. Yet when it's someone who follows a different pastime we are only too pleased to stick the boot in and ask questions later!
Not that I am a supporter of fox hunting - I've had problems with them in the past destroying bridleways, trampling our farm land without gaining permission to enter, the act of killing foxes and then making up some excuse that it's for the good of farmers, etc. But I prefer to criticise them on these grounds rather than suggesting that it's anything to do with a class war or that they are all toffs. I grew up around people that hunted...OK, some had a reasonable amount of money (just as many cyclists with their bling carbon race machines and Rapha kit do) but I never detected any class prejudice from them. I went to the same school as people who hunted, lived in the same village, drank in the same pubs and no one would describe me as upper class, lucky if I make middle class in fact.
OK, there are some 'posh' people in the hunting world, some people that talk with 'public school' accents and like a glass of Pimms. But a) they aren't all like that, and b) so what, is it a crime to be posh now? Would you have a go if they had West Indian or Pakistani accent? No, so why does having a 'posh' accent make you a bad person?
If they are blocking the road criticise them for that, if they are treating cyclists like dirt then criticise them for that, not for the back ground that you think that they come from or because they might talk a little different to you.
As for modern hunting, I've no problems with drag hunting as long as....they don't destroy BWs, don't block roads for any length of time, only venture onto land that they have permission to be on, aren't using it as an excuse to accidentally-on-purpose have the hounds pick up a fox's trail, etc. There is the argument that running packs of hounds across the countryside will disturb the wild life but so does your average dog walker and there are many more pet dogs and cats killing other animals than hunt hounds.
Not that I am a supporter of fox hunting - I've had problems with them in the past destroying bridleways, trampling our farm land without gaining permission to enter, the act of killing foxes and then making up some excuse that it's for the good of farmers, etc. But I prefer to criticise them on these grounds rather than suggesting that it's anything to do with a class war or that they are all toffs. I grew up around people that hunted...OK, some had a reasonable amount of money (just as many cyclists with their bling carbon race machines and Rapha kit do) but I never detected any class prejudice from them. I went to the same school as people who hunted, lived in the same village, drank in the same pubs and no one would describe me as upper class, lucky if I make middle class in fact.
OK, there are some 'posh' people in the hunting world, some people that talk with 'public school' accents and like a glass of Pimms. But a) they aren't all like that, and b) so what, is it a crime to be posh now? Would you have a go if they had West Indian or Pakistani accent? No, so why does having a 'posh' accent make you a bad person?
If they are blocking the road criticise them for that, if they are treating cyclists like dirt then criticise them for that, not for the back ground that you think that they come from or because they might talk a little different to you.
As for modern hunting, I've no problems with drag hunting as long as....they don't destroy BWs, don't block roads for any length of time, only venture onto land that they have permission to be on, aren't using it as an excuse to accidentally-on-purpose have the hounds pick up a fox's trail, etc. There is the argument that running packs of hounds across the countryside will disturb the wild life but so does your average dog walker and there are many more pet dogs and cats killing other animals than hunt hounds.
Not everyone involved in rural pastimes is an 'upper class nob'.
Dont mix up shotguns with hunting with hounds. A shotgun is an agricultural tool (like a plough or a tractor). Its actually a very precise, environmentally friendly tool.
Finally before we knock hunting too much in the UK hunting=species and landscape conservation. Not many people give a toss about it. Just the NT, RSPB, hunting (and some minor local conservation groups).
Dont mix up shotguns with hunting with hounds. A shotgun is an agricultural tool (like a plough or a tractor). Its actually a very precise, environmentally friendly tool.
Finally before we knock hunting too much in the UK hunting=species and landscape conservation. Not many people give a toss about it. Just the NT, RSPB, hunting (and some minor local conservation groups).
I hate snow.