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Fair enough!
Rigid just means the bike has no suspension. As I'm guessing you've worked out, suspension is not worth having unless you have deep pockets.
I see this bike has disc brakes. These are OK, but they won't stop the bike any better than normal V brakes unless you are riding through mud.
The On-One has a better, lighter frame, and stronger wheels. If you think you're going to get into mountain biking, it's the one to go for.
But there's nothing wrong with the Giant either, really. And you'll need a lock, mudguards, and lights so that's £50. Just try a few, and see what you like.
Rigid just means the bike has no suspension. As I'm guessing you've worked out, suspension is not worth having unless you have deep pockets.
I see this bike has disc brakes. These are OK, but they won't stop the bike any better than normal V brakes unless you are riding through mud.
The On-One has a better, lighter frame, and stronger wheels. If you think you're going to get into mountain biking, it's the one to go for.
But there's nothing wrong with the Giant either, really. And you'll need a lock, mudguards, and lights so that's £50. Just try a few, and see what you like.
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mick skinner
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agreed; i'd go with the on-one.
also, about disc brakes; mechanical disc brakes (like the ones on the giant), (as opposed to fluid discs) arn't any more effective at stopping you than cantilever brakes. and yes, it is only worth having discs if your wheels are constantly getting covered in mud and grit and dirt and stuff.....
also, about disc brakes; mechanical disc brakes (like the ones on the giant), (as opposed to fluid discs) arn't any more effective at stopping you than cantilever brakes. and yes, it is only worth having discs if your wheels are constantly getting covered in mud and grit and dirt and stuff.....
thanks
Thanks to all who replied, i think i will just go ahead and get the giant as the my big heavy full suss bike has had it`s day but after near 2000 miles it served me well, i think the bottom bracket has gone as there is serious movement in the pedal area and i`ve also been doored whist riding it which was extremly sore for me and bike as it caused a lot of damage to the gearing system, however i will look forward to getting new bike with good lock and new pannier rack some decent mudgaurds and an endura gridlock jacket which should hopefully set me up for serious miles as i am planning some big rides this year i.e edinburgh ,fort william and berwick upon tweed, so once again thanks for your response and advice.
Giant Escape M1
Hi
Resurrecting this slightly old thread.
I've just been to my LBS. I was initially recommended the Giant Escape M2, but they didn't have one big enough, so I tried an Escape M1 for size (the one they had was possibly too big). Compared to the heavy BSO I've been using it was like riding a magic broomstick! (So light, in fact, that I was wobbly when doing signals.)
I'm tempted more by the M1 than the M2, and I'm saving plenty of money so I'm happy to spend the extra (£495 for the M1, plus a bit for mudguards and a rack, plus locks, plus whatever extra I buy when I get carried away).
They're putting together a should-be-the-right-size M1 for me during the week.
Does anyone own one and have any comments? Jimbhoy, how's your M2?
I'd also like to thank the local council for keeping one of the roads near the shop in poor repair, it was really useful for testing!
I'll be using the bike for a 7km each way commute, of which about 4km is along the Thames Path (a bit bumpy, especially in the dark). I save 15 minutes compared to taking the train, so I cycle whatever the weather (walking to+from stations is 25 minutes, cycling is 30). I'll also be using it for anything else, like 13km (each way) trips to central London and shopping (1.5km, of which 1km is hill).
Does it seem a suitable bike? Spec: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-GB/bik ... 467/32864/
Resurrecting this slightly old thread.
I've just been to my LBS. I was initially recommended the Giant Escape M2, but they didn't have one big enough, so I tried an Escape M1 for size (the one they had was possibly too big). Compared to the heavy BSO I've been using it was like riding a magic broomstick! (So light, in fact, that I was wobbly when doing signals.)
I'm tempted more by the M1 than the M2, and I'm saving plenty of money so I'm happy to spend the extra (£495 for the M1, plus a bit for mudguards and a rack, plus locks, plus whatever extra I buy when I get carried away).
They're putting together a should-be-the-right-size M1 for me during the week.
Does anyone own one and have any comments? Jimbhoy, how's your M2?
I'd also like to thank the local council for keeping one of the roads near the shop in poor repair, it was really useful for testing!
I'll be using the bike for a 7km each way commute, of which about 4km is along the Thames Path (a bit bumpy, especially in the dark). I save 15 minutes compared to taking the train, so I cycle whatever the weather (walking to+from stations is 25 minutes, cycling is 30). I'll also be using it for anything else, like 13km (each way) trips to central London and shopping (1.5km, of which 1km is hill).
Does it seem a suitable bike? Spec: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-GB/bik ... 467/32864/
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hubgearfreak
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mick skinner wrote:also, about disc brakes; mechanical disc brakes (like the ones on the giant), (as opposed to fluid discs) arn't any more effective at stopping you than cantilever brakes. .
that's totally at odds with my experience. i've never tried hydraulic brakes, but a cable operated disc is far superior to any other brake i've tried.
that's totally at odds with my experience. i've never tried hydraulic brakes, but a cable operated disc is far superior to any other brake i've tried.
I'd agree with you and have tried cable operated, hydraulic, and rim brakes. Is the means of activating the disc brakes not as relevant as the reason for the disc in the first place - ie near the centre of the wheel, away from the rim, cleaner braking surface? Anyone?
Don't actually notice any difference between gf's cable operated and my hydraulic in terms of stopping power. However, I did think that the cable operated seem a bit clunkier.
G
Re: new bike
I bought the bike today! A Giant Escape M0. I was trying to decide between the M1 and M2 (cheaper models in the same range), when a web search came across a LBS on the other side of London selling the M0 for less than what my LBS were charging for the M1 (much less, I got the M0 for £395, my LBS wanted £495 for the M1).
However, I was a little disappointed with the shop. I went on Monday after work, but the owner was at a bike show -- my fault, I should have phoned before making a 2-hour journey from one edge of London to the other! I phoned on Tuesday, and said what I wanted and that I'd be there on Saturday. They still hadn't put it together when I got there! I confirmed the order, then wandered round the High Street for 40 minutes while they assembled it. Back in the shop, I wanted mudguards, but they didn't want to fit them ("too busy" to sell stuff?). I paid and left, and found a park where I fitted my computer. 10 minutes into the journey home I tightened the saddle clamp as it had slipped. 15 minutes into it I realised the squeaking was the bike, do new bikes generally need lubricating, or does the manufacturer normally do this? I haven't had time yet to work out exactly what is squeaking, and I think a £400 bike deserves something better than Asda Smart Price oil (which I was using on the BSO I've borrowed up to this point).
I got very lost on the way home (I turned a 30km route into a 55km one), but I won't drag this off-topic explaining. It took 5 hours to get home (should have been 2), though the bike computer says I was only moving for 3½ -- the difference must have been waiting at junctions and map-reading. I'm very pleased with the bike anyway, I wasn't fed up with the bike after the five hours, just bored with finding my way! (Next time I get that lost in London I should really take a train home. I went past at least 15 stations.)
I'm a bit disappointed with the shop, but I guess that's where the £100 difference goes.
However, I was a little disappointed with the shop. I went on Monday after work, but the owner was at a bike show -- my fault, I should have phoned before making a 2-hour journey from one edge of London to the other! I phoned on Tuesday, and said what I wanted and that I'd be there on Saturday. They still hadn't put it together when I got there! I confirmed the order, then wandered round the High Street for 40 minutes while they assembled it. Back in the shop, I wanted mudguards, but they didn't want to fit them ("too busy" to sell stuff?). I paid and left, and found a park where I fitted my computer. 10 minutes into the journey home I tightened the saddle clamp as it had slipped. 15 minutes into it I realised the squeaking was the bike, do new bikes generally need lubricating, or does the manufacturer normally do this? I haven't had time yet to work out exactly what is squeaking, and I think a £400 bike deserves something better than Asda Smart Price oil (which I was using on the BSO I've borrowed up to this point).
I got very lost on the way home (I turned a 30km route into a 55km one), but I won't drag this off-topic explaining. It took 5 hours to get home (should have been 2), though the bike computer says I was only moving for 3½ -- the difference must have been waiting at junctions and map-reading. I'm very pleased with the bike anyway, I wasn't fed up with the bike after the five hours, just bored with finding my way! (Next time I get that lost in London I should really take a train home. I went past at least 15 stations.)
I'm a bit disappointed with the shop, but I guess that's where the £100 difference goes.