Laid out in head-on!

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Laid out in head-on!

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Well, today was a turn up for the books... I was laid flat on my back in a head-on crash coming onto the Forth bridge!

I got off quite lightly in comparison so wasn't too upset... but it does feel like I've cracked teeth, wrenched my jawbone (which took a big hit), and my off-side hand is a right mess.

Alas my back wheel took a beasting and barely got me home (none of the spokes are broken but all the tension has vanished and it's turned into a pretzel!) I decked it quite hard onto the camera, which cut out just before I would have been seen writhing and moaning on the ground :roll:

That will teach me for being complacent! Never let down your guard because you're supposed to be "safe"!

Aargh!
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Was that a designated 2-way cycle lane? With no lane markings? What was the other guy thinking, hugging the righthand side of the lane? Surely you have a case for sueing somebody.
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As I said he came off worse than me... provided I don't need any dental attention there's nothing really wrong with me. However the fact that advertising on the stupidly placed bus stop sets this kind of collision up does make me wonder if I could campaign to have it made see-through?

It's NCN1 - that's just what it's like (are there two way divided cycle lanes anywhere?). In fact, mostly it is only about half this width, so then we really would have been *******.
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EdinburghFixed wrote:As I said he came off worse than me... provided I don't need any dental attention there's nothing really wrong with me. However the fact that advertising on the stupidly placed bus stop sets this kind of collision up does make me wonder if I could campaign to have it made see-through?

It's NCN1 - that's just what it's like (are there two way divided cycle lanes anywhere?). In fact, mostly it is only about half this width, so then we really would have been *******.


Well I'm glad you came out of it relatively unscathed.

What a dangerous cycle lane, putting an obstruction in a two way lane with no road markings.

I've got to say that the two cyclists coming at you didn't seem to stick to the left very much. Perhaps they should've slowed down a touch.

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OUCH!
A very good movie - it shows a good example of how not to design a cycle-way.
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One could say that there's no such thing as a dangerous cycle lane, the cycles on it make it dangerous.
Seems to me from the video that if both cyclists had been going slower and paying more attention, they would have been able to stop or avoid each other.
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One could say that there's no such thing as a dangerous cycle lane, the cycles on it make it dangerous.


yeah that's a contradiction I often run in to......get annoyed by people saying things about dangerous roads when it's really the driving/riding styles of a few users that make the danger, but then find myself complaining to the council about dangerous cyclepaths. I think that rather than saying "dangerous" we ought to say "useless", ie that to use the cycle path safely we have to go really slow but in going that slow it makes the journey ridiculously long and thus the cycle path is not fit for purpose - "useless" (talking in commuting terms).

Anyhoo, glad there's no serious injuries EF. Just think of the damage you could have done to his bike if you'd gone chain ring first into his wheel on the 'bent :twisted:
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wrangler_rover wrote:One could say that there's no such thing as a dangerous cycle lane, the cycles on it make it dangerous.
Seems to me from the video that if both cyclists had been going slower and paying more attention, they would have been able to stop or avoid each other


Very good point, and one which applies to all environments. For example, if the pavement is cracked or uneven and a pedestrian trips, really it just shows they weren't looking where they were going! (Although I wouldn't want to be the one to say it to their face!)

Similarly if a cyclist hits a pothole and crashes - well, don't ride into them (doh!) and it would be OK!

I suppose what we should say is that the environment can either facilitate safety or hinder it, in the knowledge that the majority of people do sometimes miss potholes, ride into a blind situation faster than they ought, etc.

In this case, I think putting advertising on a bus shelter at the bottom of a hill which blocks sight further down the path, increases the chance that people will fail to slow as much as they would if they could see oncoming traffic (although isn't this is basically the same as saying that it creates dangerous situations that would otherwise not exist, and hence, is dangerous?)

Food for thought. I'm considering writing to FETA to ask them to reconsider the opaqueness of the shelter.
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It looks to me as though the other cyclist was going too fast. He could never have stopped in time for any obstruction that was in the blind spot created by the bus-stop.
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I don't think visibility was too bad. However, this illustrates another reason I avoid "cycle facilities" and leisure trails. Approaching riders almost always seem to dive to their right which is what cause the collision in this case. Had the approaching rider kept left there would have been no problem.
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tatanab wrote:I don't think visibility was too bad.


Out of interest I dug out footage of me riding the other way (it's not great, but I only keep one old copy of the whole commute for 'reference' purposes).

If you watch carefully the bus stop, as I inconveniently look to the side, you can see how it completely obscures the path ahead (IMO anyway).

Judging by the bounciness I am doing about 20mph in the clip, I think the guy who hit me might have been doing a wee bit more before he hit the brakes (I don't think he actually hit me all that fast though)
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I've experienced near misses when cycling in the oppostite direction to a charity cycle ride- cyclists coming round blind corners on the wrong side of the road. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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This post is not aimed at any person or intended as any form of comment about the conduct of any person.

It is for reference as to the law only.

From the Road Traffic Act 1988(c52)
Cycling offences and cycle racing

28 Reckless cycling A person who rides a cycle on a road recklessly is guilty of an offence.
In this section “road” includes a bridleway.
29 Careless, and inconsiderate, cycling If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.
In this section “road” includes a bridleway.


From the Road Traffic Act 1991(c.40)

Cycling offences For section 28 of the [1988 c. 52.] Road Traffic Act 1988 there shall be substituted—
“28 Dangerous cycling (1) A person who rides a cycle on a road dangerously is guilty of an offence.
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1) above a person is to be regarded as riding dangerously if (and only if)—
(a) the way he rides falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful cyclist, and
(b) it would be obvious to a competent and careful cyclist that riding in that way would be dangerous.
(3) In subsection (2) above “dangerous” refers to danger either of injury to any person or of serious damage to property; and in determining for the purposes of that subsection what would be obvious to a competent and careful cyclist in a particular case, regard shall be had not only to the circumstances of which he could be expected to be aware but also to any circumstances shown to have been within the knowledge of the accused.”
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Well, since there have been a couple of drivers not prosecuted despite killing cyclists in broad daylight on the open road, I doubt my impactor has much to fear from the long arm of the law! :D
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That second vid shows a 15mph speed limit on the path, do you think it would still happen at 15mph?
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