Quad muscle improvement needed!!!

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Quad muscle improvement needed!!!

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Hi All

Sorry if this is an issue that always comes up on the forum. I have spent a few hours over the past week or so browsing this forum and other's to try and get an answer honest! I haven't just thought about this and now expect eveyrone else to provide an answer. I'm continuosly trying to gain knowledge and tips on this. I was wondering if any of you could help.....

Before I babble on, basically I'm asking the following (I'll follow this up further down about my individual circumstances) because I feel like I really need to address my quads and improve my general techniques in managing these muscles, because from a cardio perspective I feel ready to take the next step in my cycling performance goals but my quad's are being more stubborn :x

1. Just how important is stretching leg muscles before & after riding? Dumb sounding question I know, it's obviously important but I just need to know a little more specifics like...
--> How much time should I spend stretching based on my cycling habits (as below), and should the main emphasis be on after my ride or before or both?
--> I'm only experienced in doing the basic quad stratching where you stand up straight, pull your foot up from behind and maintain the tension to get the strectch. Am I being quite short-sighted in only doing this type of stretch, I guess I need to expand my "tool kit" of Quad stretch techniques?

2. If I am finding my quad's are holding me back (as opposed to cardio which I seem to be doing okay with), should I be training my quad's outside of my cycling spells (see below for my cycling schedule)? I'm really torn about this, as part of me thinks, my non-bike days should be spent resting my quad's, but I'm worried that I'm being too lazy with my quad's and should push them more on non-bike day's, but then again, would I be interfering with my recovery time doing this and working the quad's more than they can handle?

3. It might be obvious, but to ensure clarity here, when I refer to "issues" or "problems" with my quads I refer to the general "burn". It's not like I suddenly slow down when it's uncomfortable, but I do find that it's an intensity of "burn" that sooner than my liking makes it's extremely difficult to carry on at the current intensity (especially hill climbing)

4. Cycling technique..... From what I read about this, I'm under the impression that I really shouldn't have my bum leave the saddle when I am climbing hills? However, I tend to do a bit of 50/50. Once my quad's are burning to a certain level when climbing, I'll lift my bum of the saddle and peddle, this seems to reduce the work load on the quad's, but am I just cheating myself doing this? Is this seen as "bad form"?


Okay if you've read this far THANKS, just some specifics on my situation now
--> I'm 34, been cycling for 3-months now. It's mostly commuting to work. I average 3 to 4 days a week on the bike (for me thats about 60-miles over the course of a week)
--> My longest journey would take about 40-mins on the bike and cover about 7-miles, so average speed of about 10-11mph I think. Lot's of traffic and traffic lights.
--> My bike is a very cheap MTB (not a great choice as am hardly ever off-road!). It's got chunky 1.95" tyres which I am looking to replace with slicks or semi-slicks (1.5" or 1.75").
--> Before I started cycling in early Aug 09, my exercise regime wasn't great. I'd generally only do about 30 or 45mins intense cardio work every 2-weeks (circuit class at gym). I'd also do about two days a week upper body weights (nothing too instense).
--> I've never really paid any attention to my quad's to be honest which might explain the entire thread here! :shock:
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If you want to stretch your quads (and every other muscle in the body, if you wish)enrole in a Yoga class with a good teacher,don't put off by the fact that such classes are (generally speaking)full of older ladies.
You can,after a while concetrate on which postures(Asanas) suit you.

Pilates is a similar type of exercise/stretching system.

Yoga will without doubt help you in you quest for fittness,you can take it to any level you wish.But it is by far the best system of stretching/strengthing system needing minimal aparatus (Yoga mat,belts,blocks)and can be done almost anywhere.
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Yes reohn2 I'm sure that's true. Going to Yoga classes may be a little tough from a time management perspective right now (although that's a pretty lame excuse in reality!). I like the idea of it actually though so thanks for bringing my attention to it as a potential aid in achieving my fitness goals.
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Sretching is a waste of time.

Cycle more. 60m /week is peanuts. Gradually build it up.



As for climbing, some stand more than others. You should do some standing as that will give you a better vastus medialis which will prevent knee pain.
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I wouldn't say stretching is a waste of time. . .

I've tested this out numerous times when i forget to stretch.

If you don't stretch and jump on the bike straight away your legs are tight and you can feel them going into a cramp mode, at least i do without stretching.

If i do stretch, i'm perfectly fine and geared up for cycling.
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Thanks guy's some interesting points there. I agree about the "cycle more" stance, I accept that :)
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Gearoidmuar wrote:Sretching is a waste of time.

Cycle more. 60m /week is peanuts. Gradually build it up.



As for climbing, some stand more than others. You should do some standing as that will give you a better vastus medialis which will prevent knee pain.


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There is NO scientific evidence for the "benefit" of stretching.
About 18 years ago I got chronic achilles tendonitis. I was stretched until I was blue in the face by experts. After a year of being crippled I stopped stretching totally, got some heavy physio and got better. I've cycled huge amounts since and never got it back. Haven't stretched since.
The Autralian Army did a big trial on stretching. They showed NO beneficial effect on the incidence of injuries. It's just hocus-pocus.
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What I do at the start of a ride is loosen up on the bike.
For the first 2-5 miles, I try to keep a nice high-ish cadence going in the legs and a nice light feel on the pedals.
If I hit a hill in this time, I change down early and try and climb it with the same cadence/feel and not try to power my way to the top.
This way I'm not working hard but I am loosening the muscles and I'll be able to keep a nice high-ish cadence for longer without getting as tired.
I've found that if I just try and blast from the blocks, I get tired quicker and then when I do get tired my cadence drops badly, so I then need to work harder to get any type of speed.

Luck ............. :D
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Gearoidmuar wrote:There is NO scientific evidence for the "benefit" of stretching.
About 18 years ago I got chronic achilles tendonitis. I was stretched until I was blue in the face by experts. After a year of being crippled I stopped stretching totally, got some heavy physio and got better. I've cycled huge amounts since and never got it back. Haven't stretched since.
The Autralian Army did a big trial on stretching. They showed NO beneficial effect on the incidence of injuries. It's just hocus-pocus.


Very interesting stuff. I wonder what other's views are on the benefits (if any) of stretching.
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Tigerbiten wrote:What I do at the start of a ride is loosen up on the bike.
For the first 2-5 miles, I try to keep a nice high-ish cadence going in the legs and a nice light feel on the pedals.
If I hit a hill in this time, I change down early and try and climb it with the same cadence/feel and not try to power my way to the top.
This way I'm not working hard but I am loosening the muscles and I'll be able to keep a nice high-ish cadence for longer without getting as tired.
I've found that if I just try and blast from the blocks, I get tired quicker and then when I do get tired my cadence drops badly, so I then need to work harder to get any type of speed.
Luck ............. :D


Thanks for that, makes sense. I think i'll adopt that technique a little more than I have been doing and see how I get on.

I've bolded the part of your post that applies to me lol :lol:
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Stretching?

Watch what a cat does when it's wakes from a deep sleep before it moves off. Seems we've forgotton the basics as we've evolved.
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Gearoidmuar wrote:There is NO scientific evidence for the "benefit" of stretching.
About 18 years ago I got chronic achilles tendonitis. I was stretched until I was blue in the face by experts. After a year of being crippled I stopped stretching totally, got some heavy physio and got better. I've cycled huge amounts since and never got it back. Haven't stretched since.
The Autralian Army did a big trial on stretching. They showed NO beneficial effect on the incidence of injuries. It's just hocus-pocus.


It seems that anything that doesn't suit you is either hocus pocus or rubbish,now please realise that what suits you doesn't always suit all of mankind!
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I'm in the no stretching camp.

Just get on the bike and go!
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It seems that anything that doesn't suit you is either hocus pocus or rubbish,now please realise that what suits you doesn't always suit all of mankind![/quote]

It's not hocus pocus because it doesn't suit me. It's hocus pocus because scientific investigation deems it to be so. It's like blood-letting, suction cups, "alternative" medicine, acupuncture, homeopathy, pulling up while pedalling etc. All of these things can detract attention from what's really useful. I'm sorry if you choose to believe in any of these, but science must win!!
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