Minicabs seek access to London Bus Lanes

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as for your arguments about taxis causing more pollution, i'm not so sure. if i've already got a car, then for me to use a taxi to take me a few miles is indeed a nonsense. but for a substantial number of car-less people who mainly walk about town or get on a bus, then the once weekly trip from the supermarket with heavy bags or from argos with a bookcase by taxi seems to make sense. without the option of paying c.£5er for these odd journeys, they may be tempted to get a motorcar. and once they've taxed, insured and lost the depreciation on it, the mentality goes that they may as well use it every day. it's car sharing by a different name.


Good point - that cabs can allow people to go car-free more easily, not really occurred to me.

I think that it's not occurred because the majority of people that I know that are car-free either use their bikes for such journeys, use the bus, have stuff delivered, and do all of the above as a series of journeys throughout the week, thus not needing a single big shop and also cutting down on the amount of food that doesn't get eaten. But it may well be that my experiences are biased by being in a location with good public transport.

On the other hand, the people that I know that do use taxis tend to be car owners anyway, and are making a trip where they don't want to use the car (eg into city centre, home from pub, on expenses, etc) but don't want to go via public transport because it's slow, dirty, 'common', etc. YMMV.

anyway, I still don't think that they should be given the benefits of the use of bus lanes as people swapping to them wouldn't have the benefits that swapping to buses or bikes would have but would still serve to slow down those two groups and potentially put off people from the latter.
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The other good thing about taxis is that there are only a limited number of them clogging up the city at any one time. If people who used taxis decided instead to drive, they'd have to park somewhere and there's be less space for everyone.

I'd prefer to keep minicabs out of bus lanes on a purely selfish basis, which is that they scare me. They're not particularly good drivers who are in a hurry, and I've had far more stress off them than I have from actual taxis. I don't want them in my lane!
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Si wrote:I still don't think that they should be given the benefits of the use of bus lanes


you're dead right there 8)
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I don't think taxis should be allowed in bus lanes either. The point of bus lanes should be to promote both active travel and mass transit - neither of which is addressed in any way by allowing private vehicles to drive in them as they please (by which I include motorbikes, too).

There's certainly no argument against having taxis in the first place (they can be essential) but that doesn't mean they should be granted privileged passage.

However, I think it would be *really* bad news to make bus lanes a free for all - so in this case, the interests of cyclists and taxi drivers do seem to coincide.
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Next thing that will happen, Motorcycles allowed in the cycle lanes...
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taxis are public transport late at night. By day, when they clog up the bus lanes, they are not public transport. Since the bus lanes mostly work during the peak hours, taxis should be kicked out. And that is the position of the CTC Campaigns department, as I understand it from Roger Geffen.
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drsquirrel wrote:Next thing that will happen, Motorcycles allowed in the cycle lanes...

They are in some places. I have no problem with that.
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It's difficult though, because what's the difference between a motorbike and a car (apart from the size)?

Allowing motorbikes in is fine if we want to actively incentivise people to motorbike, but I'm not sure that's the case (although I have nothing at all against motorcyclists).
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EdinburghFixed wrote:It's difficult though, because what's the difference between a motorbike and a car (apart from the size)?

Isn't that pretty much it?
What's the difference between a bicycle and a car?

Why are bicycles allowed in bus lanes? Do any of the reasons apply to motorcycles too?
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the simple answer is that bicycles are sustainable transport, and deserve all the encouragement that transport authorities can offer - and bus lanes have proved to be the best encouragement that there is. Motorcycles aren't sustainable transport, and scare the bejesus out of my wife when they zip past at 30mph, and are therefore on my list of things to ban from bus lanes.
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Simon L6 wrote:the simple answer is that bicycles are sustainable transport, and deserve all the encouragement that transport authorities can offer - and bus lanes have proved to be the best encouragement that there is. Motorcycles aren't sustainable transport, and scare the bejesus out of my wife when they zip past at 30mph, and are therefore on my list of things to ban from bus lanes.

So basically anything that can be shown sustainable should be allowed in a bus lane then?

So a home made steam car powered by local timber? Would that be ok?
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kwackers wrote:So a home made steam car powered by local timber? Would that be ok?


come on kwackers, show us some pics; is the road tax much; how many mirrors does it need? :mrgreen:
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hubgearfreak wrote:come on kwackers, show us some pics; is the road tax much; how many mirrors does it need? :mrgreen:

Biggest steam engine I've made to date would only allow this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqBKRo8q3rQ&feature=related

Wonder where it lies from a legal viewpoint? It'd be an interesting thing to try - not least because a nice fire burning away on the top of the stem would be lovely on a cold day in winter...
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Would this be more appropriate for bus lane use?
www.steamcar.co.uk/
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Si wrote:Would this be more appropriate for bus lane use?


no, but there's a steam bus in whitby

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