I'm sure that the OP has some experiences which makes him/her feel so strongly (please don't feel that the reaction to your post makes you unwelcome here. We like a good argument on a rainy day
IT'S BEHIND YOU!!!
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I recently fitted one of those Blackburn mirrors which attach to the brake lever with velcro. It vibrates like crazy and is of very limited use as a safety device for me. I've yet to ride with it at night where I feel it might give me some help in seeing bright car headlights at a distance (which is why I bought it), but for assessing what's happening behind me I have to still use that tedious old fashioned method of turning round to look. It's such a chore
I'm sure that the OP has some experiences which makes him/her feel so strongly (please don't feel that the reaction to your post makes you unwelcome here. We like a good argument on a rainy day
) but I think that compulsory features such as mirrors could actually have a negative effect on riding safety as it could discourage new riders from learning the skills of cycling which make them safer, in this case learning how to take regular looks over the shoulder. Good riding skills come before add-on safety gear but they can always be an option if you feel it gives you an advantage once you're confident.
I'm sure that the OP has some experiences which makes him/her feel so strongly (please don't feel that the reaction to your post makes you unwelcome here. We like a good argument on a rainy day
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I feel that answers and discussion on the OP have not been in the spirit that the OP intended. This is the time of year when pantomime is very popular.
OH NO IT ISN'T !!!
OH NO IT ISN'T !!!
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I feel that answers and discussion on the OP have not been in the spirit that the OP intended. This is the time of year when pantomime is very popular.
OH NO IT ISN'T !!!
OH NO IT ISN'T !!!
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You are behind yoursel - or at least, your echo is.
You are behind yoursel - or at least, your echo is.
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I was about to not bother at all with mirrors, I would like to try one but I don't want anything sticking out or mounted to the helmet. But by chance in the recent Cycle (it was in the previous too) there is one called Bike Eye, and it mounts against the frame basically by your knees... I can see how vibration would be minimal being mounted so close to the frame, but I cannot imagine to myself what kind of view this would give you. Anyone got any experiences with it (or similar)?
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drsquirrel wrote:Anyone got any experiences with it (or similar)?
my mum's got one, she says it's good for seeing how far behind dad is lagging. as for any use in busy city traffic, none.
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I have one of these:
http://www.aspirevelotech.com/Merchant2 ... ode=MIRROR
viewtopic.php?t=14074 Tells you my story.
http://www.aspirevelotech.com/Merchant2 ... ode=MIRROR
viewtopic.php?t=14074 Tells you my story.
Mick F. Cornwall
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Mick F wrote:I have one of these:
http://www.aspirevelotech.com/Merchant2 ... ode=MIRROR
viewtopic.php?t=14074 Tells you my story.
I've just ordered one off the 'bay'. We'll see how it goes...
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How much did you pay for it on Ebay? I've just looked and the current bids are about £4.90, but there are still four days to go. I might be interested in getting one.
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Colin63 wrote:How much did you pay for it on Ebay? I've just looked and the current bids are about £4.90, but there are still four days to go. I might be interested in getting one.
I just went for the buy it now option - I'm lazy like that (and impulsive). Same price as the website - $25 - plus about $9 in P&P. Not sure what that translates too...
I tried one of the Halfords ones r2 recommended, but trying it outside the shop the view seems to be blocked by my arms!
We'll see how this one goes - I quite like the fact it doesn't stick out...
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kwackers wrote:Colin63 wrote:How much did you pay for it on Ebay? I've just looked and the current bids are about £4.90, but there are still four days to go. I might be interested in getting one.
I just went for the buy it now option - I'm lazy like that (and impulsive). Same price as the website - $25 - plus about $9 in P&P. Not sure what that translates too...
I tried one of the Halfords ones r2 recommended, but trying it outside the shop the view seems to be blocked by my arms!
We'll see how this one goes - I quite like the fact it doesn't stick out...
Re the Cat eye "racing" mirror:-I like the idea of having to move my arm to see behind me,I find this less of a distraction(I know that may sound like a contradiction but until you've ridden with one of these mirrors its hard to tell),I also like the way it folds out of the way when the bike's parked/stored.
The mirror MickF recomends is a bit on the small side for me but the main fault to my mind is that it becomes an extension of the drops and I'd worry about it being a "knee banger" when out of the saddle/manouvring, especially on the tandem where the steering is used far more than a solo at low speed,this probably wouldn't worry most in the least bit but it does me.
To each his own I suppose.
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reohn2 wrote:The mirror MickF recomends is a bit on the small side for me but the main fault to my mind is that it becomes an extension of the drops and I'd worry about it being a "knee banger" when out of the saddle/manouvring, especially on the tandem where the steering is used far more than a solo at low speed,this probably wouldn't worry most in the least bit but it does me.
To each his own I suppose.
I picked out this mirror because I wasn't a particular Mirror User. I wanted something small, neat, unobtrusive and understated. I saw the Italian Racing Bike Mirror and thought it seemed right. Yes, it was expensive, and yes, it is small, neat etc.
It doesn't get my knee in or out of the saddle, but sometimes I have to be careful if I'm pushing or getting on from the right.
The near range view is good. The mirror is convex and clear, but it does take an age to get set right, and even then, it's not adjustable later. The long range isn't good, so it's no use as a rear-view mirror in fast traffic and for navigating the busy streets.
What I wanted, and this mirror does it for me, is a confirmation about what I already know. I rarely ride on city streets, but when I do, at least I can see how close the silent assassins of the rear-engined buses are behind me!
Mick F. Cornwall
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hubgearfreak wrote:drsquirrel wrote:Anyone got any experiences with it (or similar)?
my mum's got one, she says it's good for seeing how far behind dad is lagging. as for any use in busy city traffic, none.
What about for cars that suddenly spring up on you on country roads / A roads?
Mick F wrote:I have one of these:
http://www.aspirevelotech.com/Merchant2 ... ode=MIRROR
viewtopic.php?t=14074 Tells you my story.
I've got a little mirror that is meant to stick on a car to cover the blind spot... I have thought of putting this in that position but never got around to it.
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Law should insist that bicycles are fitted with a convex rear-view mirror of the appropriate curvature.
There are a multitude of reasons why I am against this.
1) Mirrors are easily knocked or broken whilst the bike is left parked...do we then have to push the bike home if someone breaks the mirror?
2) Car rear view mirrors are large but still have blind spots. You would need something similarly large (and thus totally impractical) to be anything like a replacement for the lifesaver
3) The lifesaver - use of mirrors would lessen use of the lifesaver by many cyclists, intentionally or not. Negating any possible benefits.
4) In an accident I would guess that the mirrors rule would open a car of worms over claims of maladjusted mirrors, incorrect glass etc. Difficult to prove otherwise when it's smashed under a car. But probably upheld as a "possible valid contributing factor" where courts look for any possible way to shift blame from the motorist to the "lycra louts"
5) Vibration - bicycles and fixtures vibrate. A mirror does not give a steady view.
I've used mirrors - years ago I was going on a cycling camping tour but at 16 with a saturday job in a bike shop for £1/hr, I couldn't afford "fancy stuff" like lowriders. Since I was going on this trip with a girl who had a Raleigh Candice 5-speed (upgraded by me with spare bits to a 15 speed for the trip) guess who was carrying most of the heaviest and bulkiest gear. And like lowriders, expensive lightweight camping gear wasn't possible. So I had panniers on the rear rack, a load on the rear so high that it could have doubled as a backrest for a recumbent seat. On the front, I had adapted a cheap alloy rack to carry a load, but with a high centre of gravity.
No way could I properly turn to look behind me so I used mirrors with a custom bracket I fabricated to move the mirror outboard to get a clear view past the loaded panniers. I had an awareness of what was behind me, but we are talking rural A and B roads. To get a clear detailed view, it was necessary to focus and LOOK into the mirror rather than GLANCE. Fine for roads from Scarborough to Whitby - NOT fine for commuting in rush hour when a look behind is FAR FAR better than any reflection in a little disc.
There are a multitude of reasons why I am against this.
1) Mirrors are easily knocked or broken whilst the bike is left parked...do we then have to push the bike home if someone breaks the mirror?
2) Car rear view mirrors are large but still have blind spots. You would need something similarly large (and thus totally impractical) to be anything like a replacement for the lifesaver
3) The lifesaver - use of mirrors would lessen use of the lifesaver by many cyclists, intentionally or not. Negating any possible benefits.
4) In an accident I would guess that the mirrors rule would open a car of worms over claims of maladjusted mirrors, incorrect glass etc. Difficult to prove otherwise when it's smashed under a car. But probably upheld as a "possible valid contributing factor" where courts look for any possible way to shift blame from the motorist to the "lycra louts"
5) Vibration - bicycles and fixtures vibrate. A mirror does not give a steady view.
I've used mirrors - years ago I was going on a cycling camping tour but at 16 with a saturday job in a bike shop for £1/hr, I couldn't afford "fancy stuff" like lowriders. Since I was going on this trip with a girl who had a Raleigh Candice 5-speed (upgraded by me with spare bits to a 15 speed for the trip) guess who was carrying most of the heaviest and bulkiest gear. And like lowriders, expensive lightweight camping gear wasn't possible. So I had panniers on the rear rack, a load on the rear so high that it could have doubled as a backrest for a recumbent seat. On the front, I had adapted a cheap alloy rack to carry a load, but with a high centre of gravity.
No way could I properly turn to look behind me so I used mirrors with a custom bracket I fabricated to move the mirror outboard to get a clear view past the loaded panniers. I had an awareness of what was behind me, but we are talking rural A and B roads. To get a clear detailed view, it was necessary to focus and LOOK into the mirror rather than GLANCE. Fine for roads from Scarborough to Whitby - NOT fine for commuting in rush hour when a look behind is FAR FAR better than any reflection in a little disc.