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Hello
Will the 'democratically' elected leader Kavin Mayne tender his resignation when (should) the vote denies CTC from becoming this Trust? I certainly hope that, like other elected persons, he will (does).
Will this then return the club to become a cycling club once again or will it just complicate matters?
As far as I can see, the Cyclists Touring Club will no longer exist if the proposal to become a charity is carried.
Best to say a resounding no to those who would feed their own desires-just as the politicians do.
John.

I was also wondering how tenable the senior posts will be should there be a NO vote. They decided amongst themselves what outcome they wanted and have gone (stooped) to any lengths to achieve that. If they fail surely that would be a fatal indictment on their judgement.

No I dont think that will be necesary.
It goes to the vote and after that we all live with the result or leave of our own free will.
I think he should have the same option.

Others on here think he should have gone for other reasons but that is something I dont know about.
As far as this issue is concerned I have no problem with his remaining even if the vote goes against him.

meic wrote:No I dont think that will be necesary.
It goes to the vote and after that we all live with the result or leave of our own free will.
I think he should have the same option.

Others on here think he should have gone for other reasons but that is something I dont know about.
As far as this issue is concerned I have no problem with his remaining even if the vote goes against him.

Hello
Surely when (if) the CTC majority vote against that it will show that the leader is out of tune with us all? In this case he will (must) resign as the post will be untenable.
Yes the leader should resign before the vote for many other reasons but as this list is showing many are those who shall vote against, so his life as leader is limited anyhow. No way can a leader lead in the wrong direction and live to tell the tale.
The Cyclists Touring Club no longer exists as a cycling club. CTC is an organization well awry of its original intention. Inasmuch that the leaders are no longer leading but going their own way.
Grass routes CTC? Where?
John.

I am not inclined to argue against you but cant quite agree either.

If the vote goes the other way and it is apparent that the CTC has grown beyond its original intention, then we are "going forward" and a lot of other buzzwords .
At which point we tourists (although many of us DO have other cycling interests) become an out of touch minority.
Do we then all have to resign too?

Or can we just accept that part of being a club is some give and take ( a bit too much give, I can hear you cry ) and carry on.

meic wrote:I am not inclined to argue against you but cant quite agree either.

If the vote goes the other way and it is apparent that the CTC has grown beyond its original intention, then we are "going forward" and a lot of other buzzwords .
At which point we tourists (although many of us DO have other cycling interests) become an out of touch minority.
Do we then all have to resign too?

Or can we just accept that part of being a club is some give and take ( a bit too much give, I can hear you cry ) and carry on.

I think that maybe if the terible does actually happen, that CTC members will leave.
I think too, that a new smaller club might spring up. You know, a club for cyclists to enjoy cycling together.
Majority rule does not always work, ask the leaders of some other organizations.
John.

* YOU are not a member of the Trust.
* YOU have no say in the running of the Trust.
* The Trust does not have to take YOUR interests into account

He won't resign. Where would he get another job like the one he has?

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. So if a minority of 25-50% vote "no" for motion 10 the leader could hardly be said to be "out of tune with us all", just lacking a big enough mandate for change.




Then all must vote NO!
Even the rules for voting are twisted to assist those in charge.
JOhn.

leftpoole wrote:Will the 'democratically' elected leader Kavin Mayne tender his resignation when (should) the vote denies CTC from becoming this Trust? I certainly hope that, like other elected persons, he will (does).John.

Get your facts right please Kevin is an employee therefore is not elected!

The councill are elected and it is they who make the final descision not Kevin, although of course like all CEO's he will have input to the descision making process but at the end of the day it is the counillors, your elected representatives, who make the final descision

absolutely. I think the suggestion that Kevin should resign is entirely misplaced, and unwelcome. Councillors make the decisions. Kevin does his best to carry them through.

And talk of resignations of any kind is misplaced. Whatever way the vote goes we're all going to have to take a deep breath and work out a way forward. If (and it's a very big if) the special resolutions are defeated, those of us who have been running the 'nay' campaign have a responsibility to find as much common ground as possible with the majority of Councillors who support the special resolutions.

Jimmy The Hand wrote:

leftpoole wrote:Will the 'democratically' elected leader Kavin Mayne tender his resignation when (should) the vote denies CTC from becoming this Trust? I certainly hope that, like other elected persons, he will (does).John.

Get your facts right please Kevin is an employee therefore is not elected!

The councill are elected and it is they who make the final descision not Kevin, although of course like all CEO's he will have input to the descision making process but at the end of the day it is the counillors, your elected representatives, who make the final descision

I stand corrected on the employee elected point.
I still however feel so strongly about a NO vote that I must push this as much as I can. This is a very very serious matter and we are losing our Club because of it.
Please vote now and make sure you retain the club as a club and vote a resounding NO.
John.

A bit of a Catch22 here.
You have an employee who is being criticised for trying to push through this motion.
Then there is a suggestion that if he FAILS to push through this motion he loses his job?

Hardly an incentive for him to proceed in a fair and balanced way for the benefit of the CTC.

I second what Simon has said - I was sorely temped to 'pull' certain parts of this post as targeting individuals in this way is out of order. However, given that Simon, who is seen by many as the figure head of the opposition has argued against such "witch-hunting" I will let it stand.

But please, no more targeting of individuals with calls for resignations - it will only lead to the sides of this debate being further polarized and make the job of picking up the pieces afterwards even harder.

It will be a sad day when people are afraid to put proposals to the AGM because they are worried that a lost vote will see the 'winners' trying to hound them out of office.

Si wrote:I second what Simon has said - I was sorely temped to 'pull' certain parts of this post as targeting individuals in this way is out of order. However, given that Simon, who is seen by many as the figure head of the opposition has argued against such "witch-hunting" I will let it stand.

But please, no more targeting of individuals with calls for resignations - it will only lead to the sides of this debate being further polarized and make the job of picking up the pieces afterwards even harder.

It will be a sad day when people are afraid to put proposals to the AGM because they are worried that a lost vote will see the 'winners' trying to hound them out of office.

In this matter there will be no winners. This feel this will decimate the club either way.
John.