Touring Training

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TomTurner
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I'm hoping to do some touring around Europe next year, at the moment I am trying to get fit for some of those mountains in Norway. :lol:
I am trying to do 10 miles a night which includes hill climbing, I am riding with a full load in my panniers but I am finding that I am pushing myself to complete the cycle route in a quicker time each night. This the correct thing to be doing when training for much longer cycles on tour or should I be concentrating on taking it easy to improve endurance?

I would also be grateful of any other advice anyone could offer me on touring or any suggestions on locations for a first timer to touring.

Many thanks,

Tom
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Better to build up your distances than to be concerned about your time to complete 10 miles.
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take the stuff and cycle to a campsite for one night: then work out what you need and leave everything else at home.
bear in mind that norway is breathtakingly expensive - buying food in suoermarkets is about twice as expensive as it is in france. also the weather can be a bit, er, bracing -so you will need a warm sleeping bag and warm clothing. don't even think about buying alcohol - it's at least 35 for a pint of beer. buy as much whisky as you can at the UK airport - i think the allowance is 2 litres - it might help break the ice with norwegians who hardly ever drink whisky cos it's so pricey and can only be bought at the state monopoly alcohol shops - and that might be 50 miles away from where they live.
the campsites in norway are universally good - they tend to be equipped for motorhomes so have good showers, loos, etc. they all have a little kitchen for cooking so you can sit inside and cook.
you will pass only one supermarket each day so buy lots of food when you see one - they tend to be shut on sundays so bear that in mind on saturday!
having said all this, i found it to be a fascinating place. it's a bit hardcore for a first time cycle camping trip.
finally, don't worry about those hills - just get off and push the bike.
finally finally, wear a bright yellow jacket - they don't see many cyclists on those roads and you need to be conspicuous.
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TomTurner wrote:I'm hoping to do some touring around Europe next year, at the moment I am trying to get fit for some of those mountains in Norway. :lol:
I am trying to do 10 miles a night which includes hill climbing, I am riding with a full load in my panniers but I am finding that I am pushing myself to complete the cycle route in a quicker time each night. This the correct thing to be doing when training for much longer cycles on tour or should I be concentrating on taking it easy to improve endurance?

There are many ways to train for a cycle tour. One of the most effective is the cycle tour itself :shock: . I'd suggest that pushing yourself on a 10 mile route is not a bad idea but a cycle tour is completely different than say racing through town from one set of traffic lights to the next. Maybe if you find a cycling club that has longer Sunday runs and go out with a group of cyclists. As well as getting fitter you might pick up some pearls of wisdom. Running practice weekends is also a good idea, say 80 km a day with all your gear, a circular route from home out to a campsite and back works well for this.

As regarding training for cycle and camping tours we tend to try to go away for a night to a campsite 20-40km from home and return the following day. We can squeeze this into a Friday or Saturday evening and it allows us to improve endurance, learn useful routines for setting up and breaking camp, and also helps get an idea of what gear is useful and which things seem like an nice idea but you can do without.
TomTurner wrote:I would also be grateful of any other advice anyone could offer me on touring or any suggestions on locations for a first timer to touring.

I think the most important thing we have learned is to recognise when we have reached our limits. Listening to your body and understanding when you need to take a break or stop for the day, or when you are getting too cold is important on all tours. It is particularly important somewhere like Norway where the weather can be fantastic one day and 20'c colder the next.

As for Norway as a first tour, that is exactly what we did, following the NSCR in Norway, since then we've been back a few times (a completish list of our tours in Norway and other places is here). Our experience of Norway is that it is a great place to cycle but the terrain can vary a lot. Routes with long climbs (say National Routes 8 or 9) are easier on the legs than constantly undulating coastal routes. On inland routes we manage up to 120km/day whilst on the coast this can drop to 50km/day. The weather can be great but be prepared for changeable weather on the coast. Everywhere it can get cold in the evenings. If you do go to Norway take a tent that pitches flysheet first and can be used as a shelter before you turn in for the night.

There is a right to wild camp in Norway but with restrictions. This can be useful if you find you can't make it to the next campsite but need to stop. As regards supermarkets, you should find more than one a day in southern Norway and petrol stations often serve hot food and snacks and often sell groceries too. We take two emergency meals with us just in case we get stuck but as yet we never have been as yet.

IMHO Norway is a great place to cycle but make sure you have a first gear in the 17-19 gear inch range. Your LBS and others might think you are nuts but if you go for higher gearing you will spend too much time walking uphill. Unless of course you have legs like tree trunks and cardiovascular fitness to match. Oh and take at least one set of spare brake blocks as they can wear very fast.
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MartinBrice wrote:finally finally, wear a bright yellow jacket - they don't see many cyclists on those roads and you need to be conspicuous.
er, that's it

And don't forget that some tunnels are closed to cyclists. There is a map available here. It lists both the main national and local cycle routes and shows where the tunnels are and if they are open or closed to cyclists. I can't find the ISBN number on the 2007 version of the map but you can buy the map from the SLF. Phone them if you can't work out how to order it from the site.

The cycletourer.co.uk site has a tunnel map as well.
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Thank you very much for the advice! The facts and routs on Norway were particularly useful!
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Cycle touring is all about being in the saddle day after day and riding long(ish) distances. If you are getting out most days then you are meeting the first requirement. However, I think you need to add a bit of distance - 10 miles isn't really enough.

Also, I don't like the ideas of going faster each night - why? You are not out for a sprint, but a marathon. On tour, you will need to cycle hills fairly slowly either because you are conserving energy or haven't got any left. Speeding up hills also won't let you see if your gears are low enough for those all day climbs. Also you may run the risk of injuring yourself if you push too hard.

Apart from this.............you will be horribly fit by next year, a lot more than me who virtually never trains till I hit the first day.
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10 miles is not enough and you need to be doing easy distance, not short fast stuff. You get different types of fitness from each. It takes about 2 months to get touring fit, starting from scratch, ideally 3 months.
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I would concentrate on 'time on the bike' rather than distance, speed etc. Get your bike set up for comfort.
Imo the speed/distance is something to concentrate on later.
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I would agree with the more slower distance and just getting used to having your bum on a bike, which is quite relevant to say the least!

I've just done my first fully loaded bike ride in preparation for cycling from London to Rome, without weights I usually begin to get tired around 50 miles, and with the weight around 30 miles so it might be worth doing a few weights (squats etc) nearer the time to get your strength up, but overall more stamina is definitely the way!

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I agree with the others - there's simply no replacement for time on the bike. Apart from building your fitness, it will help you to locate any comfort problems which you may not notice after 10 miles.

How far do you plan to do each day? Ride that distance one day, then the same distance the following day. Comfort is more important than speed, in this game.
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I was looking at doing about 60 to 80 miles a day.

I have started to increase my distances also with loaded panniers. This I have found to be a major help and I have noticed a vast improvement in my overall fitness too. It is just finding the time to head out on those 40 miles cycles, (being a full-time A-Level student can tend to get in the way somethimes! :D )

I would also be interested to hear what you find to be a good energy snack for when you are on the bike and you want to push on those last 20/30 miles before having lunch?

Many thanks for all the useful info!

Tom.
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I'm sure everyone has their favourite snack - some cheap, some expensive. If you want something basic and cheap, then get a bag of peanuts (not salted) and mix with raisins. The peanuts have a long(er) energy release, whereas the raisins give you a quick burst.

You can add other fruit, etc, but why complicate what has been called the best energy snack food available.
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