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Another email message
Posted: 30 Apr 2010, 4:37pm
by bikepacker
Members matters have sent me an email message attempting to canvas support for becoming a charity. I have replied requesting Simon be given access to the list for a right to reply. As the CTC is a still a members club the same members, some may not be on the forum, have a right to hear both sides.
Re: Another email message
Posted: 30 Apr 2010, 6:17pm
by robgul
The e-mail that I received purported to be sent to ""CTC's volunteers", "member group volunteers" and
"Right to Ride Reps" - i.e. implied it was not a broadcast to all members ......
AFAIK I'm NOT eligible for these "groups"
I have asked which list my name is on (the fact that I got 2 copies is also interesting)
Rob
Re: Another email message
Posted: 30 Apr 2010, 7:05pm
by bikepacker
I haven't been a RTR rep for 18 months but I must still be on someone's list.
Re: Another email message
Posted: 30 Apr 2010, 7:40pm
by manybikes
Two bites of the cherry today. Newsnet and the extra message. It stinks.
Re: Another email message
Posted: 30 Apr 2010, 8:38pm
by Si
Methinx that there is a telling line in the Member's Matter email (I did try to resign from RTR but they wouldn't let me)
Even so many of you tell us you need more answers.
If that is the case the should we not delay the vote for a year rather than try to cram all of the info into everyone's heads in just two weeks? Surely if the Council recognise the fact, as this statement demonstrates, that there are many people still unclear of what to do then the only reasonable action is to delay the vote?
Re: Another email message
Posted: 30 Apr 2010, 9:59pm
by gaz
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Re: Another email message
Posted: 1 May 2010, 10:13am
by Ron
Yesterday I received an email signed by 18 council or ex council names, only one of which I recognised.
They told me CTC would benefit by around £100,000 p.a., no strings attached, simple as that, if the motion is passed by the membership.
There was a link to "new information", but no point in me reading that now having instructed my proxy 3 weeks ago to vote against.
Re: Another email message
Posted: 3 May 2010, 11:47am
by Regulator
What a pity they can't seem to make their minds up aout how much 'free' money they're supposedly going to get...
Council has given various figures, from £144,000 to about £46,000 (a figure given to Council but not published), whereas CTC Scotland is saying it's going to bring in £250,000!
And thye wonder why people don't trust their finance figures...
Re: Another email message
Posted: 4 May 2010, 12:11pm
by Karen Sutton
I replied to the email message I received telling them that their additional information was too late for the many members, including myself, who had already sent their voting paper to the ERS.
Then today I received what can only be a pre-prepared response as it does not recognise that I had told them that I had already voted. Their reply was:
"It concerns us that you may be worried about the many other things you have heard about the proposals. We understand that some of you may be confused, angry or just plain fed up with the whole issue. Even so many of you tell us you need more answers. We encourage you to look at some new information at
http://www.ctc.org.uk/charity<http://www.ctc.org.uk/charity> where we have highlighted further answers to reassure you about some of your most pressing questions".
Re: Another email message
Posted: 4 May 2010, 12:12pm
by Karen Sutton
bikepacker wrote:Members matters have sent me an email message attempting to canvas support for becoming a charity. I have replied requesting Simon be given access to the list for a right to reply. As the CTC is a still a members club the same members, some may not be on the forum, have a right to hear both sides.
Did you get a response?
Re: Another email message
Posted: 4 May 2010, 2:10pm
by Regulator
Karen Sutton wrote:bikepacker wrote:Members matters have sent me an email message attempting to canvas support for becoming a charity. I have replied requesting Simon be given access to the list for a right to reply. As the CTC is a still a members club the same members, some may not be on the forum, have a right to hear both sides.
Did you get a response?
Pigs might fly....
National Office respond to ordinary members on such matters? Perish the thought. What do you think this is - a member-led organisation or something?
Re: Another email message
Posted: 4 May 2010, 2:46pm
by Yorkshireman
Regulator wrote:Karen Sutton wrote:bikepacker wrote:Members matters have sent me an email message attempting to canvas support for becoming a charity. I have replied requesting Simon be given access to the list for a right to reply. As the CTC is a still a members club the same members, some may not be on the forum, have a right to hear both sides.
Did you get a response?
Pigs might fly....
National Office respond to ordinary members on such matters? Perish the thought. What do you think this is - a member-led organisation or something?
Well I did have the impression that 'input' from members was acceptable (sort of ...). So I had a little scan on
our club website. It's not the easiest (for me
) place to find things out - sometimes, but I did find this
How often have you thought that something in CTC needed changing? Do you know how a change could be brought about? The way that CTC works - from a day to day basis to the strategy for the next five years - is set by Council based on what they believe members want and what they think is in the best interests of CTC.
and
Council very much wants to ensure that it is representative of all CTC members,
(My bold)
here:-
http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3852after clicking National Council.
That's me put right then
Re: Another email message
Posted: 4 May 2010, 4:10pm
by bikepacker
I just got in and found this response.
"If given real evidence that these proposals present any risk of damaging CTC or its membership, we would withdraw support for the proposals instantly. "
No mention of giving access to the mailing list for a rebutle.
Slightly off topic but relevant. I have just had a ride with an older CTC member who summed up the situation with these words: "I would rather be a meaningful member of national club than a non-entity member of a charity, which is what I will become."
Re: Another email message
Posted: 4 May 2010, 7:32pm
by Yorkshireman
bikepacker wrote:I just got in and found this response.
"If given real evidence that these proposals present any risk of damaging CTC or its membership, we would withdraw support for the proposals instantly. "
I wonder if someone could place a few pages on this internet thingy mentioning any perceived risk of damage to CTC (as it stands at the moment) and members (and any benefits members may enjoy at present)?
bikepacker wrote:No mention of giving access to the mailing list for a rebutle.
Slightly off topic but relevant. I have just had a ride with an older CTC member who summed up the situation with these words: "I would rather be a meaningful member of national club than a non-entity member of a charity, which is what I will become."
Hear, Hear.
How often have you thought that something in CTC needed changing? Do you know how a change could be brought about? The way that CTC works - from a day to day basis to the strategy for the next five years - is set by Council based on what they believe members want and what they think is in the best interests of CTC.
Bah Humbug!
Re: Another email message
Posted: 12 May 2010, 5:40pm
by Regulator
This e-mail's just landed in my inbox:
If anybody has not filled in their proxy form there may be just time to post it. It has to arrive tomorrow in London.
I shall be voting at the AGM in Loughborough. It promises to be an interesting (possibly scary) meeting. Well worth an afternoon in Loughborough on Saturday.
I was on the Council last October when we voted 16 to 1 [just to clarify there were also three abstentions]to create a unified structure, i.e. to put it to the AGM with a recommendation to proceed.
Since then I have spent many hours reading the discussions. Points have emerged that were not well explained to Council by our advisers at the time. The arguments for unification do not seem so convincing now. The objections to one charity and reasons for having a reformed dual structure have been well argued by the 'antis' and their points have not been satisfactorily answered by National Office.
In view of the serious doubts, the unanswered questions, and the 'no way back' nature of the decision I shall be voting against unification as a charity.
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