Tattoos, Pauches, Metal hangings and Cycling

[AlbionLass]

I don't really like guys with hairy chests, I think that in my teens I did.
I have no problem wth male cyclists shaving their legs, if other guys do it it's a bit creepy.


ps. I'm 37.

[stoobs]

I don't see what a tattoo has to do with my pauch. If I were in the USA, I'd use my metal hangings to hang a swinging bench/seat (and no, that's not some kind of proclivity) in my pauch. I'd call that a verandah. In the UK, I'd put my wellies and wet coat on my metal hanging pegs in my pauch.

Does that make me some kind of deviant?

As long as it doesn't put me in the same league as uni-pannierists, I don't really care.

[thirdcrank]

Must have GSOH might disqualify a number of us on here

[Kirst]

I find it extraordinary. Perhaps we're going back to our pre-Roman heritage when we painted our bodies. Would you be happy if your male doctor/dentist/lawyer/teacher/nurse/minister of religion were obese, AND wore ear jewellery and sported tattoes?

I couldn't give a stuff as long as they were good at their job. But then, I'm an obese occupational therapist with pierced ears and nose and tattooed ankle, shoulder and hip. And I'm considering a clitoral hood piercing and more tattoos.

[kwackers]

And I'm considering a clitoral hood piercing and more tattoos.

Funnily enough, I tend to treat people with clitoral hood piercings that I meet exactly the same as anyone else, or at least I think I do.

[Jonty]

I'm quite relaxed about tattoos and piercings which are only available for private viewing.
jonty

[workhard]

And I'm considering a clitoral hood piercing and more tattoos.

Funnily enough, I tend to treat people with clitoral hood piercings that I meet exactly the same as anyone else, or at least I think I do.

unlikely, given 50%, or thereabouts, of the population are unable to have such a piercing. And though we may all think we treat male and females alike various studies have shown that not to always be the case. ditto those of different ethnicity to ourselves. evolution would appear to have done a deeply embeded job of programming us to judge by appearances. clan member or not, friend or foe, predator or dinner, potential procreative partner or potential competitor, etc., etc..

Bodily adornement is a much a part of modern 'tribalism' as it is a throw back to our pre-civilised past surely?

For the record, 50 next birthday: three ear lobe piercings all now healed up, I changed tribe you see, and one tiny tattoo not normally visible in day-to-day life.

[reohn2]

................. And I'm considering a clitoral hood piercing and more tattoos.

Too much detail dear ,though it could appeal to the Voodoo in some

[kwackers]

................. And I'm considering a clitoral hood piercing and more tattoos.

Too much detail dear ,though it could appeal to the Voodoo in some

Yes, but if you ever bump into Kirst in the flesh, at least you have an opening line...

[Nutsey]

I believe it's called Theory of Mind, where you try and put yourself into the shoes of the other person.
It seems this was essential for survival. In the long-distant past the most dangerous animal we could expect to meet was another human being, so we had to assess them quickly at a distance.

When I see someone who is overweight, heavily tottooed and wearing ear jewellery the following thoughts pass through my mind. Why would someone wish to look like that? He's possibly a manual worker, unemployed or a member of the underclass. Certainly not professional. Possibly poorly educated. Perhaps an habitual criminal? If so, he could be illerate. Does he have "I hate screws" tattooed on his fists? How does he expect to get a job looking like that? Has he got heavily tatooed to look "hard" even though it may take the form of "hard to get up in the morning." If so, he has obviously embraced the "hard man" culture so approach with caution as he could potentially be aggressive or violent.
If I see a man sporting a tattoo on his arm which looks like a dagger or says "Rule Britannia" I assume there's a good chance he's a member or an ex-member of the armed forces, so I have positive feeling towards someone who has possibly risked life and limb to keep me and the country safe.
If I see an attractive young woman with a swallow tattoed on her back and sundry piercings I make the inital assessment that she's been unduly influenced by celebrity culture and footballers' WAGS, so she may be slightly dim but of course she may not be.
If I see a man who looks quite fit but has tattoes and lots of piercings and is shouting into his mobile, I think to myself "I wonder if he's a drug dealer?"
If I see a man wearing an ear ring I say to myself "he may be gay" and then give the matter no further consideration.
jonty

+1

Couldn't agree more. Perfectly natural process of thought. If it comes naturally then it must have served us well in the past, and therefore worth carrying on with. Now and then someone catches you out* but its reliable more often than not.


* I presumed the man with a moustache at Rotterdam Airport** was Dutch. He was not.
** My favourite airport

[KiyoTatsu]

I think the acceptance of other human beings for what they are is based on a higher level of education and intelligence. The ability to reason logically and not succumb to conformity, marketing and the media. Afterall, in all the movies the bad guy/gal is always the one with the leather jacket, with tattoos and body modifications so it must be true

These are the assumptions that might be expected from the unintelligent/the uneducated/the ill informed or those who are from an older generation that have nurtured their deeply ingrained prejudices that they learned from family and peers. It's also fear and sheer lazyness. The kind of people who are afraid to socialise, who don't really get out much and don't get to meet different people and don't really know much beyond there own miniscule little sphere of existence. Protecing themselves in a anti-social bubblewrap that decreases them as a person. When it comes down to it, it's all just the same kind of divisory attitudes that promote racism, homophobia and bad treatment of the sick/disabled. Luckily people who are capable of independent thought and reasoning aren't confined to such backward thinking and will accept people for who they are and not what they look like.

Did someone mention something about Drs not having tattoos?
[url]http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=74701
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And there is this guy who helps children overcome the terrible prejudices they get exposed to by socialisation but imo quite a few adults could do with meeting him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyQndbjIUR4&feature=related

[Guy951]

I think the acceptance of other human beings for what they are is based on a higher level of education and intelligence. The ability to reason logically and not succumb to conformity, marketing and the media. Afterall, in all the movies the bad guy/gal is always the one with the leather jacket, with tattoos and body modifications so it must be true

These are the assumptions that might be expected from the unintelligent/the uneducated/the ill informed or those who are from an older generation that have nurtured their deeply ingrained prejudices that they learned from family and peers. It's also fear and sheer lazyness. The kind of people who are afraid to socialise, who don't really get out much and don't get to meet different people and don't really know much beyond there own miniscule little sphere of existence. Protecing themselves in a anti-social bubblewrap that decreases them as a person. When it comes down to it, it's all just the same kind of divisory attitudes that promote racism, homophobia and bad treatment of the sick/disabled. Luckily people who are capable of independent thought and reasoning aren't confined to such backward thinking and will accept people for who they are and not what they look like.

Or, on the other hand, it could just be that some people find tattoos and body piercings visually unattractive. Had you considered that before you started belittling everybody who doesn't think the way you do?

[reohn2]

These are the assumptions that might be expected from the unintelligent/the uneducated/the ill informed or those who are from an older generation that have nurtured their deeply ingrained prejudices that they learned from family and peers. It's also fear and sheer lazyness. The kind of people who are afraid to socialise, who don't really get out much and don't get to meet different people and don't really know much beyond there own miniscule little sphere of existence. Protecing themselves in a anti-social bubblewrap that decreases them as a person. When it comes down to it, it's all just the same kind of divisory attitudes that promote racism, homophobia and bad treatment of the sick/disabled. Luckily people who are capable of independent thought and reasoning aren't confined to such backward thinking and will accept people for who they are and not what they look like.

Come off the fence!

Of the many "body modifications" I see some and only some look good,that is from a perspective of a pretty open minded 56year old,who's older brother's arms were covered in tattoos.
Beautiy is in the eye of the beholder and as I said earlier in the thread its the stone cladding syndrome,the people who have to look at the stone cladding are the ones across the road not those inside the house.
People who have"body modifications" have the freedom to do that, after all its a free country right? The people who have to look at those mods day in day out will form their own opinions of them and the teir owners, whether the baggage of predjuce goes with that is anyones guess for a given person.
The vast majority of body "art" I see is complete trash, drawn on and peirced through a subculture of loutish behaving nutters,there are those who aren't but in general these are in the minority, and a minority of them have some pretty darn good art drawn on them.
I'd like to bet(if I were a betting man) that theres more people with "body modifications" in later life learning to live with their "art" rather than enjoying it,as their skin begins to loose its elasticity (like mine has started to do)but thats their choice.
Body peircings can be removed and wounds left will heal in most cases,though I'm not so sure about the larger ear lobe rings etc.
What I'm trying to say is that what was a good idea at 20 and in the height of fashion(for that is all that most art and tattoos are) isn't such a good idea at 50 with you're grandchildren sat on your knee,to each his own but its the rest of society that sees it everyday.Some will forgive the folly, others will have prejudice,and others will like what they see,what proportion is anyones guess.
I was having a coffee outside a Costa in Hale Nr Manchester for those that don't know it, its quite a well to do area so I was drinking my coffee with the hoy paloy.An old guy dressed in a light suit covered in stains and wearing a brown trilby,a can of Bud in one hand and a fag in the other came wandering by singing "Boy named Sue"that well known Jonny Cash hit of the 70's,much to the changrin of the other Skinny Lawtay supping assembly,As I got got up to leave I said to him "how we doing owd lad" "am not bad me owd mate" he replied, it was 10.15am on a Tuesday morning and to my knowledge England hadn't won anything in previous 24 hours.I rode of with a smile.
It takes all sorts to make a world.

[Jonty]

I think the acceptance of other human beings for what they are is based on a higher level of education and intelligence. The ability to reason logically and not succumb to conformity, marketing and the media. Afterall, in all the movies the bad guy/gal is always the one with the leather jacket, with tattoos and body modifications so it must be true

These are the assumptions that might be expected from the unintelligent/the uneducated/the ill informed or those who are from an older generation that have nurtured their deeply ingrained prejudices that they learned from family and peers. It's also fear and sheer lazyness. The kind of people who are afraid to socialise, who don't really get out much and don't get to meet different people and don't really know much beyond there own miniscule little sphere of existence. Protecing themselves in a anti-social bubblewrap that decreases them as a person. When it comes down to it, it's all just the same kind of divisory attitudes that promote racism, homophobia and bad treatment of the sick/disabled. Luckily people who are capable of independent thought and reasoning aren't confined to such backward thinking and will accept people for who they are and not what they look like.

Or, on the other hand, it could just be that some people find tattoos and body piercings visually unattractive. Had you considered that before you started belittling everybody who doesn't think the way you do?

What a load of Politically Correct claptrap IMO!
Now we are to elevate those who disfigure themselves in order to emulate minor celebrities and ignorent and uneducated footballers to the status of a misunderstood minority rather than simply regarding them as misguided and impressionable.
jonty

[reohn2]

I think the acceptance of other human beings for what they are is based on a higher level of education and intelligence. The ability to reason logically and not succumb to conformity, marketing and the media. Afterall, in all the movies the bad guy/gal is always the one with the leather jacket, with tattoos and body modifications so it must be true

These are the assumptions that might be expected from the unintelligent/the uneducated/the ill informed or those who are from an older generation that have nurtured their deeply ingrained prejudices that they learned from family and peers. It's also fear and sheer lazyness. The kind of people who are afraid to socialise, who don't really get out much and don't get to meet different people and don't really know much beyond there own miniscule little sphere of existence. Protecing themselves in a anti-social bubblewrap that decreases them as a person. When it comes down to it, it's all just the same kind of divisory attitudes that promote racism, homophobia and bad treatment of the sick/disabled. Luckily people who are capable of independent thought and reasoning aren't confined to such backward thinking and will accept people for who they are and not what they look like.

Or, on the other hand, it could just be that some people find tattoos and body piercings visually unattractive. Had you considered that before you started belittling everybody who doesn't think the way you do?

What a load of Politically Correct claptrap IMO!
Now we are to elevate those who disfigure themselves in order to emulate minor celebrities and ignorent and uneducated footballers to the status of a misunderstood minority rather than simply regarding them as misguided and impressionable.
jonty

ALERT,ALERT, smelling miztake