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Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 5:23pm
by cyclingthelakes
essexman wrote:I was driving out of saffron walden and saw this chap with an amazing arrangement on the back of his bike. Cars were treating him with enormous respect, i was really gobsmacked.

He was riding an old looking touring road bike, but on the rear he had a sort of trailer tail-board affair. It was white plastic, widish, two reflectors either end (where car lights would be), and then vertical hazard stripes in orange between them. It mimmiced a larger vehicle and drivers responded to him, in a sort of ahh, see thats how cyclists should look. The width was such that it covered the rear of his panniers + a tiny bit more.

It even sort of looked like you could have fitted a registration plate on it :!:


Yes, I have seen a Pashley and it had tail lights that would befit a motorbike if not a car.

This is why on my own bike, I've gone for tail light over kill, with 3, one stationary, one on the helmet and a clip-on but everyone knows clip-ons turn around and in fact get lost too. They are not very reliable but yes, it is very bright if it doesn't get turned around. Tail lights are so small.

I see Ebay sells a lot of lights from the Far East, Singapore, Hong Kong, that area for low prices. I'm sure they work well enough, just a bit of a wait.

And people often are fooling around in their cars, talking on the phone, etc. A yellow flashing light as someone said, might work.

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 5:31pm
by Edwards
The best I ever managed was in Porthmadog. After a stop in Wikinsons and purchasing 2 metre of white 42mm plastic waste water pipe. This had to be carried to the other end of town on my bike.
I could not be bothered to strap it to the bike so held it in one hand and slowly rode (I was only using 1 hand to steer and brake so extra care was taken). During the ride the pipe was used for indicating turns and as what could have been confused as a Jousting Lane at times.
I can honestly say I have never seen such cooperative drivers in another town anywhere.

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 7:34pm
by martin biggs
well 1 x cree powered torch and 2 flashing led lights on front and at least 2 flashing leds on rear along with a reflective high viz vest that has 10 flashing leds on front and back along with std refletors on bike

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 9:19pm
by CREPELLO
Being heavily loaded should help. (Or is it? Ideas for recycling perhaps? :D )

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 9:25pm
by reohn2
CREPELLO wrote:Being heavily loaded should help. (Or is it? Ideas for recycling perhaps? :D )


:D :D :D Yep that should do it.........................perhaps

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 21 Oct 2010, 2:39pm
by johnsmithhere
I find the best way of being seen - especially at night, is illuminating yourself. So, I had a crazy idea, and lit up my entire bike with LED strips whereever I could. I cut them into smaller pieces and operate them on batteries and I love them. The light was very cheap from LEDcentre, and I bought a whole reel, so I'm thinking about using some of it on the back of my helmet as well, only to make me more rediculous :lol:
I also love my cree torch, and during the daytime I find wearing white very useful.

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 22 Oct 2010, 12:22am
by songsforpolarbears
Just read on Peter White,

'Most of my Schwalbe tires have reflective strips on the sidewalls to help automobile drivers see you better at night'

'Can't remember seeing reflective strips on my Schwalbe City Jet tyres', I thought. Went to check. Unfortunatly, no reflective strips on these :( Sounds like a good idea too.

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 22 Oct 2010, 10:24am
by Vorpal
songsforpolarbears wrote:Can't remember seeing reflective strips on my Schwalbe City Jet tyres', I thought. Went to check. Unfortunatly, no reflective strips on these Sounds like a good idea too.


My Marathons have reflective strips.

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 22 Oct 2010, 11:41am
by Kell
As a regular commuter of some 10+ years in London I've had my fair share of moments and have been knocked off about 8-9 times in that period. And of all those times only one has been in the dark - depsite me running lights that were illegal on road as they were too bright. :roll: So I'd say it's either day time or dusk (essentially the light that you commute in at this time of year) that is the most dangerous.

Here's my (not very scientific) musings.

1. For years I resisted buying a florouscent jacket as I just thought they looked a bit rubbish. So I'd have blue waterproof jackets with a little bit of 3M on them somewhere. I finally relented last year after having a knock which forced me to scrap my bike - bent forks, bent shifters, rear mech, frame was touch and go, helmet ground into the road - driver just drove off too. HAving a florouscent jacket makes you much, much more visible in daylight. But they do fade. I reckon a couple of years after you buy it, you might want to think about replacing it.

2. You may be tecnically 'in the right' but it doesn't prevent you from being literally 'in the hospital'. Unfortunately, drivers tend to use might is right as their guidance. As mentioned elsewhere, cyclists are at the bottom of the food chain.

3. Don't go anywhere near the left-hand of trucks if they're anywhere near a junction. They have a huge blind spot and most of the cyclists killed in London are as a result of undertaking a truck and being squished.

4. Always look for an escape route. This is good driving practice too. By this I mean try to avoid putting yourself in a situation where your only option is to brake. try to position yourself in such a way that you can swerve to avoid something too.

5. Look a long way ahead. If you're approcahing a junction - already get your head moving to spot cars approaching it. Be wary of someone trying to overtake and then cut left, of people coming the other way and turning right and, of course, of people just pulling out.

6. If someone's crossing a road in front of you, I've found it better to not shout at them. THey tend to freeze or do something stupid. It's better to say nothing and just aim for a space behind them.

What I've come to realise in this time is that you have to assume that if someone can do something stupid, they will. And this doesn't just include drivers, it includes pedestrians too.

I've had people run between cars and straight into my path, I've had people run to try and make it across a crossing when the lights had already gone green and I've had people jumping both on and off of Routemaster busses without looking. This is probably the funniest of them all, but I was appraching a Routemaster from behind which was stationary in traffic at lights. I was in the cycle lane getting ready to go past on the left. I could see someone coming down the stairs and figured they looked like they were going to jump off without looking for me. So slowed down a little and tried to time it so that they'd be gone by the time I got there. All well and good except I hadn't seen they were pulling a wheely bag behins them. So they jumped offthe bus and I went straight into their bag. :roll:

I also currently have two front lights on my bars and one on the my helmet. I've found having one on my helmet allows me to shine the beam directly at people and helps me be seen.

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 22 Oct 2010, 11:54am
by alicej
Kell wrote:You may be tecnically 'in the right' but it doesn't prevent you from being literally 'in the hospital'.


:lol: How true.

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 22 Oct 2010, 5:55pm
by AlanD
It's all very well being seen, but that is assuming that the other person is bothering to look.
One young lady nearly had my front wheel parked between her 'cheeks' because she stepped off to cross the road without even looking. :o

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 22 Oct 2010, 6:07pm
by kwackers
Kell wrote:All well and good except I hadn't seen they were pulling a wheely bag behins them. So they jumped offthe bus and I went straight into their bag. :roll:

I had a guy stride out from behind a van and march across in front of me, I was so intent on making eye contact and shouting something about looking where he was going as I swerved around him that I almost ran over his guide dog...

They don't train them like they used to!

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 22 Oct 2010, 8:41pm
by alicej
I used to work as a disability assistant with someone who used a guide dog. They're really only good for avoiding obstacles and keeping on course along pavements - certainly while actually crossing a road the owner is in complete control, NOT the dog. Bikes must be a particular problem for blind people because we're fast but don't make enough noise.

Where there is no crossing blind people basically just have to listen carefully and then go. An even more ignored and abused section of the travelling, road-using public than cyclists are!

BTW as soon as you realise that someone sharing a road with you may be partially sighted, make a noise. ANY noise, I don't care if you think you sound stupid, a blind person can often manage to glean your presence, direction and speed of travel from any sound you can manage to make at all.

Ideally say loudly "Bike coming through" or something equally descriptive. In fact if they're on their own/with only a dog then ideally stop to ask if they want help crossing the road, 'cos it's more frustrating than anything you ever experience as a cyclist!

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 22 Oct 2010, 8:51pm
by thirdcrank
alicej wrote:... In fact if they're on their own/with only a dog then ideally stop to ask if they want help crossing the road ...


+1

I once stopped on the busy A 650 out of Bradford and the elderly chap with thick glasses, a bit like the Ely caricature who used to be in Last of the Summer Wine, turned out to be a former club cyclist so, apart from anything else, we had a good chinwag about cycling. :D

Re: Tricks for being seen on the road.

Posted: 22 Oct 2010, 8:57pm
by meic
I do say "I am on a cycle towing a trailer" when I meet an obviously blind person on the paths, I feel a bit of an idiot saying it but I cant help but think that they are thinking "what on earth is that".