The Census 2011

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meic wrote: ...I still think that they think in boxes that a good many of us do not fit into. ...


The computerised data collection can only reinforce that. Boxes spawn boxes.

They are also going in ever decreasing circles trying to avoid treading on toes - the nationality questions being an example. FWIW, I'm a British Subject by birth. It seems to me that if they want to know about nationality they need that level of accuracy or it's pointless. The questions as currently posed suggest a greater interest in nationalism than nationality, but I imagine they were just worded like that to antagonise as few respondents as possible.

It's an exercise for its own sake, a relic of an earlier, less sophisticated era, which nobody has the bottle to put out of its misery. IMO.
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I havent seen the form yet but such questions reinforce the idea that you HAVE to pick a nationality and that you have to choose ONE nationality.
It may suit all the inbreds around but a lot of the rest of us dont like that idea.
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Jonty wrote:I used census data extensively during my career as an economist/town planner/demographer.
jonty


And that explains why such people screw up more often than not, There's truth in the saying "Jack of all trades, master of none"
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pete75 wrote:
Jonty wrote:I used census data extensively during my career as an economist/town planner/demographer.
jonty


And that explains why such people screw up more often than not, There's truth in the saying "Jack of all trades, master of none"


Only master of 3 professions. I leave all trades to tradesmen. :wink:
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meic wrote:I havent seen the form yet but such questions reinforce the idea that you HAVE to pick a nationality and that you have to choose ONE nationality.
It may suit all the inbreds around but a lot of the rest of us dont like that idea.


The question this time is:
How would you describe your national identity?
Tick all that apply:
English
Welsh
Scottish
Northern Irish
British
Other, write in ......


I will be ticking English (by heritage), Welsh (by birth) and British (by nationality).
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Jonty wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Jonty wrote:I used census data extensively during my career as an economist/town planner/demographer.
jonty


And that explains why such people screw up more often than not, There's truth in the saying "Jack of all trades, master of none"


Only master of 3 professions. I leave all trades to tradesmen. :wink:
jonty


Shouldn't that be master of 3 semi professions????
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How to Fill in Your Census Form Without Lockheed Martin Profiting, from Peace News http://www.peacenewslog.info/2011/03/ho ... g-version/ :)
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quote="Jonty"]
pete75 wrote:
Jonty wrote:I used census data extensively during my career as an economist/town planner/demographer.
jonty


And that explains why such people screw up more often than not, There's truth in the saying "Jack of all trades, master of none"


Only master of 3 professions. I leave all trades to tradesmen. :wink:
jonty[/quote]

Shouldn't that be master of 3 semi professions????[/quote]

Probably. :wink:
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As a town planner I am aware of the need for the information provided by the Census. Check out the great percentages of workers cycling to work up to the 1960's.

However, as the Peace News link above shows, there are political overtones in giving our personal details to an American multinational, and an arms manufacturer at that.

Why is a British company not doing the work?
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meic wrote:I havent seen the form yet but such questions reinforce the idea that you HAVE to pick a nationality and that you have to choose ONE nationality.
It may suit all the inbreds around but a lot of the rest of us dont like that idea.



Most people only have one "nationality" In the UK it will be British. The only exceptions are those people that hold dual nationality or are foreigner living and/or working in the UK. Scottish, Welsh etc are not nationalities. That is why this year's census asks about national identity. This allows those that are separatist in nature to make a point. That is why I will be putting my national identity down as "Yorkshire". Not that I am separatist, but to make a point.

IMHO this question about National Identity is a bad move as it encourages sectarianism. We should all be working together for unity and anyone who lives in the UK should be encouraged to be part of it as a whole. It is no wonder we get terrorists committing acts in support of other countries only to find that they were born and bred in the UK. This country actual encourages it. (IMV)

As an example, if you ask a person of asian origin but who holds a US passport, what his nationality is, he will say American. If you ask the same question in parts of Oldam, what answer do you think you will get.
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The Mechanic wrote:
meic wrote:I havent seen the form yet but such questions reinforce the idea that you HAVE to pick a nationality and that you have to choose ONE nationality.
It may suit all the inbreds around but a lot of the rest of us dont like that idea.



Most people only have one "nationality" In the UK it will be British. The only exceptions are those people that hold dual nationality or are foreigner living and/or working in the UK. Scottish, Welsh etc are not nationalities. That is why this year's census asks about national identity. This allows those that are separatist in nature to make a point. That is why I will be putting my national identity down as "Yorkshire". Not that I am separatist, but to make a point.

IMHO this question about National Identity is a bad move as it encourages sectarianism. We should all be working together for unity and anyone who lives in the UK should be encouraged to be part of it as a whole. It is no wonder we get terrorists committing acts in support of other countries only to find that they were born and bred in the UK. This country actual encourages it. (IMV)

As an example, if you ask a person of asian origin but who holds a US passport, what his nationality is, he will say American. If you ask the same question in parts of Oldam, what answer do you think you will get.



Why should our allegiance be to the UK? Why not Wales, Carmarthenshire or even my village? Or the other way, why not Europe, The West or the Whole World?
We should all be working together for unity, the question is who defines what is we? It is probably all the different countries' Nationalism that created the terrorism in the first place.
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Have you done yours today?
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al_yrpal wrote:Have you done yours today?


I've just checked mine. I see it says complete it today but it's for people staying overnight on 27 March - I take that to mean tonight.

I see from a report in yesterday's paper that 1,000,000 were missed last time. I didn't note whether that was 1M households or 1M people. It seems that last time they managed something like 30 convictions for non-completion - I'll guess they were the people who made a stand, rather than those who were never at home (or ignoring the doorbell.)

I see that they now have a team of 100 enforcers EMPOWERED TO CONDUCT INTERVIEWS UNDER CAUTION. :shock: Who writes this garbage? :lol: Anybody can conduct an interview under caution - it's a restriction on those in authority to protect the individual, not a power. The big test is what happens if somebody won't stand still long enough for the caution to be administered and the questions posed. That's when a power of arrest can come in handy.

IIRC, it said there are 30,000 people who have been employed to collect the forms that aren't returned. It's a parallel universe.
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I filled in "Person 1" a few days ago, and Mrs Mick F has just filled her bit in as "Person 2". No priority here, I was first! but she wants us to both sign the declaration as we are joint owners of the house. I'll do as I'm told. :oops:

What about the parrot and the cat? Do they not count? I'd be very happy to record our pets in the census. Seems to me that there's a great deal missing ...........
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It was odd getting one delivered onto the boat. My address is just, rather satisfyingly, "Drifter".
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