Youth Hostels

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horizon
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Re: Youth Hostels

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The YHA deserves to die. It really has lost its way


That's a bit strong. They will still have a chain of "family activity centres", the small iconic hostels will probabaly be retained and the city hostels will be well, city hostels. They also haven't lost their way: they've decided that their income must match their outgoings and that times have moved on: they have looked at the market and are aiming at one stop weekending and week long stays, a sort of Travelodge for the business man and his family at leisure. Accountants and marketing men do not lose their way - it's the way to the bank.

Out have gone the character buildings (bar a few), the cycling network (the hiking network still exists as it did in the popular areas), the fixed and low prices, the absence of cars, the absence of TV and the absence of alcohol. (The wall at Salisbury YHA recently had two huge posters: one for an alcoholic product and one for where to drive around Salisbury.) In fact what has really gone is the culture. Oddly enough they support camping barns which have most of the disadvantages of both camping (carrying a sleeping bag) and hostelling (little privacy).

For young touring cyclists (and parents of young touring cyclists) it is a disaster - there is no alternative except camping. But for the YHA it isn't all bad.
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The main problem with any hostel use once the 31st Aug is reached (or at least so it seemed a few years ago not tried it since) many YH's become Rent a Hostel only and therefore only open at weekends for group bookings.
Mid week or solo touring is impossible.
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Re: Youth Hostels

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horizon wrote:They also haven't lost their way: they've decided that their income must match their outgoings and that times have moved on


It would be hard for you to explain a hostel such as Kirkby Lonsdale that the YHA has sold, but that has repoened as an independent hostel. Did the new owners not do their research?
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Nettled Shin wrote:
horizon wrote:They also haven't lost their way: they've decided that their income must match their outgoings and that times have moved on


It would be hard for you to explain a hostel such as Kirkby Lonsdale that the YHA has sold, but that has repoened as an independent hostel. Did the new owners not do their research?


I meant "haven't lost their way" sardonically. I think the YHA has a very clear idea as to where they want to go (faced admittedly with some fairly intractable problems). It is just that "their way" involves demolishing the entire ethos and culture of the YHA as we knew it. You're right, some hostels will be sold that are making money. My guess is that they are not making enough money (e.g. an asset worth say £2m needs to return say £100,000 per year in profit). The YHA has some amazing properties: these were open to young people from poorer backgrounds (like myself) to appreciate and enjoy. The YHA has asked, "What is it that we really provide?" The answer is a bed, not a cultural experience. So the building is sold. The YHA has asked, "How do people travel?" The answer is in cars. So a car park is built and the cycle shed becomes a dumping ground.

So, Nettled Shin, my point was that the YHA does know what it is doing. Unfortunately.
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Well, Ive used the Scottish YHA, and the English ones for the first time this year. The cost of B&B for a single person for a single night has gone through the roof. This year some of my B%B accommodation was in the £50 per person per night! Way out of my affordability anymore.


SYHA Pitlochry,
YHA Arnside
YHS Windermere
YHS Earby
YHA Penzance

Maybe I am easily pleased, but I found all of the above a bit of fresh air! I found bookings easy, and when in doubt (ie looking up suitability of bicycle sheds) the phone system worked very well.

All were very clean, with great facilities, those without an evening meal could recommend somewhere local that provided good food. All were warm, with suitable accommodation for my bike (Im fussy about this bit).

For a fiver, Arnside, Windermere and Penzance provided a fantastic eat as much as you can breakfasts which included porridge, fresh fruit, natural yoghurt as well as the full greasy English hit if you wished it.

Maybe all my other sleeping partners (always full in 6 unknown berth accommodation) were trustworthy, and fine, even if I were up on some mornings at 6am or earlier.


Personally, last summer my B&B accommodation with single suppliments were a minimum of £45 per person per night, whereas at just £18 per person per night, in my opinion there is no contest. YHA wins for me. All I need is a warm bed, for the night anyway, with accommodation for my bicycle

Next year, I am in Audax Mode and as much as I can I shall be YHA ing it.

Maybe I've been lucky.


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Yes Mary, maybe you have been lucky. We still use YHA accommodation where we can. I still prefer it; however there have been times recently when we have been disturbed by people coming back to the dorm at all hours of the night/morning, by hostels with very poorly equipped kitchens, with the advertised cycle store full of tables/spare beds/canoes. Then there are those hostels which have huge groups of people who completely take over the self cookers kitchen so nobody else has a chance of even making a cup of tea; then leaving great piles of washing up all over the place for someone else to clean up. This same group kept us awake for several nights banging through fire doors and running up and down stairs through the night. They were mostly adults by the way, not schoolchildren.
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Aside from issues of booking as already mentioned, hostels can really come into their own when mountain biking. One night in Wooler with a drying room and bike store (and the means to wash down bike) was taken for granted and we perhaps thought £18 was a bit much each, until the next night they were full and we ended up in the cheapest (we could find on the night) B&B in Morpeth at £55 for the room but having to wash muddy clothes in the (admitedly) en-suite shower and then hang them around the room which also had two muddy bikes in it! As an aside I found Northumbria is an excellent county for mountain biking and cycling in general.

It's always easy to compare the cheapest B&B you've ever found with the priceiest hostel, a bit like when newspapers compare the cheapest ryanair or easyjet fare with the most expensive walk on rail fare rather than comparing with it with the cheapeast advance rail fare. You can be lucky with Travelodge special offers (never when I need to go to weddings though...), but not normally if you arrive dripping wet unexpectedly! If you are more organised than I usually am there are some advance booking deals with yha at the mo: http://www.yha.org.uk/special-offers/autumn-offer-2011.aspx

Personally I like to cycle tour with a tent as I enjoy going as far or short as my legs will take me and don't like to book in advance, but even then I've found campsites can be thin on the ground away from coastal areas or national parks.
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Re: Youth Hostels

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It's always easy to compare the cheapest B&B you've ever found with the priceiest hostel.


Quite right. I've been negative on this thread about the YHA rather than youth hostels per se - they are designed for walking and cycling. The question is: were the YHA right to close hostels and could they have done any differently?

In the meantime the remaining hostels stand head and shoulders above the average B&B.
When the pestilence strikes from the East, go far and breathe the cold air deeply. Ignore the sage, stay not indoors. Ho Ri Zon 12th Century Chinese philosopher
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