the forthcoming AGM

[Piqued]

I find it quite amazing that, with the AGM in less than 2 weeks, no issues with regard to its proposals have been raised on this board.

I suspect that it is because all the business is submitted and controlled by the CTC paid officials who want the least interference from any of its 50000 + members.

The number of people who use these message boards are so small and are totally ignored.

I suggest that those of you who frequent other Newsgroups publicise the forthcoming event -- Saturday 28 April at 2 pm in Guilford. Turn up on your bikes and make CTC define itself. It is about to make huge changes which will reduce the already very limited voice that members have.

Too much Government funding, to much involvement in matters which have no direct link with the members who pay! Members don't mean a thing when CTC is a charity receiving its funds from more lucative sources.

And it will all be passed on the nod at the AGM

Go there and vote!

[Karen Sutton]

I find it quite amazing that, with the AGM in less than 2 weeks, no issues with regard to its proposals have been raised on this board.

There have been several discussions on these boards with regard to the proposals which will be put before the AGM. These discussions have been taking place for several weeks. Have a look.

I suspect that it is because all the business is submitted and controlled by the CTC paid officials who want the least interference from any of its 50000 + members.

[b]The Council have put the proposals on the agenda, not the paid staff. I know this because I was at the Council meetings where the discussions took place. This is not to say I approve, (I don't), I am just giving you the facts.

I suggest that those of you who frequent other Newsgroups publicise the forthcoming event -- Saturday 28 April at 2 pm in Guilford. Turn up on your bikes and make CTC define itself. It is about to make huge changes which will reduce the already very limited voice that members have.

The AGM has been publicised on other forums, as well as in the CTC magazine. Not enough members go to the AGM. It's mainly because most members don't really care enough about the way CTC is run. Sad but true. I won't be on my bike, but I'll be there. I'm looking forward to meeting you so you are no longer anonymous. None of the proposals are secret, the whole agenda is in the latest issue of 'Cycle'.

Too much Government funding, to much involvement in matters which have no direct link with the members who pay! Members don't mean a thing when CTC is a charity receiving its funds from more lucative sources.

As I've mentioned to you on another thread Piqued, CTC itsel receives no Government funding at present. (The Charitable Trust is another matter)

[Piqued]

I find it quite amazing that, with the AGM in less than 2 weeks, no issues with regard to its proposals have been raised on this board.

There have been several discussions on these boards with regard to the proposals which will be put before the AGM. These discussions have been taking place for several weeks. Have a look.

I suspect that it is because all the business is submitted and controlled by the CTC paid officials who want the least interference from any of its 50000 + members.

The Council have put the proposals on the agenda, not the paid staff. I know this because I was at the Council meetings where the discussions took place. This is not to say I approve, (I don't), but I am giving you the facts. Why don't you contact your regional councillor to get the facts before writing about things you know nothing about?

I suggest that those of you who frequent other Newsgroups publicise the forthcoming event -- Saturday 28 April at 2 pm in Guilford. Turn up on your bikes and make CTC define itself. It is about to make huge changes which will reduce the already very limited voice that members have.

The AGM has been publicised on other forums, as well as in the CTC magazine. Not enough members go to the AGM. It's mainly because most members don't really care enough about the way CTC is run. Sad but true. I won't be on my bike, but I'll be there. I'm looking forward to meeting you so you are no longer anonymous. By the way, none of the proposals are secret, the whole agenda is in the latest issue of 'Cycle'.

Too much Government funding, to much involvement in matters which have no direct link with the members who pay! Members don't mean a thing when CTC is a charity receiving its funds from more lucative sources.

As I've mentioned to you on another thread Piqued, CTC receives no Government funding at present. Yet again you are talking about something without having the facts

But the problem is that these boards do not, NOT, represent the opinion of any realistic proportion of the members of CTC.


Just look at where CTC and CTC Charity has received monies during the last year. Could any of it possibly be considered to be government sourced -- ooh no of course not! Don't talk down to me you s*lly person ( sorry my spell check went wrong again -- it should have been ..... {deleted}).

Your voice is -- or should not be -- any more powerful than mine. At the AGM you can vote your way and I shall vote mine. I shall also speak in rational terms in those matters which concern me greatly about the planned changes in CTC and CTC Charity.

I actually have studied CTC policies very carefully over several years and my opinions are not without support from others.

[keepontriking]

As I've mentioned .... on another thread .... CTC receives no Government funding at present.

On this Forum under the Cycle Training section the introductory heading says:

"The "National Standard Cycle Training" board is provided as one of the requirements of government support and funding in that area."

Has this dried up?

[Karen Sutton]

I'm sure the funding hasn't dried up. AFAIK much of the Cycle Training funding comes from Cycling England, which I concede can be regarded as a government body.

The CTC Charitable Trust will receive, and apply for grants, but as the Charity is at present run separately from the Cyclist's Touring Club (whose AGM we are taking about) I don't consider these grants to be CTC income. They are income for the Charitable Trust. That is why the Trust was set up, as CTC (the club) was not eligible for this type of funding.

[Piqued]

I'm sure the funding hasn't dried up. AFAIK much of the Cycle Training funding comes from Cycling England, which I concede can be regarded as a government body.

The CTC Charitable Trust will receive, and apply for grants, but as the Charity is at present run separately from the Cyclist's Touring Club (whose AGM we are taking about) I don't consider these grants to be CTC income. They are income for the Charitable Trust. That is why the Trust was set up, as CTC (the club) was not eligible for this type of funding.

and is part of the very point that I am trying to make people aware! She has said it directectly on here -- the CTC Chariable trust is separate from the CTC! So CTC doesn't get any government money at all does it!

Talk about the thin end of the wedge Karen -- in a years time CTC will not care at all about membership funds It will be as I have said -- a conglomerate in essence -- and have little connection with "paying members of CTC" -- as indeed it does today.

It is too busy pratting around following good causes and jumping on band wagons -- but it might not support a lone cyclist in need. Its legal advice section will only take you on if it thinks it will win! If not you are left on your own!

[Karen Sutton]

You are right. It is the thin end of the wedge. The next thing will be to try to merge the Club and the Charity. Then the member's fees will be in the same pot.

If that is not done very carefully the income from membership fees could be used for schemes which are started with the aid of grants and then run into difficulties if the funding dries up.

The reduction in elected Councillors to make room for advisors may mean that the members' interests are under represented on Council; making it easier for the merger to take place. After all, we probably won't be offered a postal ballot.

[simon l6 and a bit]

I find it quite amazing that, with the AGM in less than 2 weeks, no issues with regard to its proposals have been raised on this board.


And it will all be passed on the nod at the AGM

Go there and vote!

now that you realise that these boards and others have been bombarded with threads on this very subject and that three councillors, and one recently retired councillor, have gone on the record on the subject, why on earth do you think that this will go through on the nod??????

I'm going to be there, Karen will be there, Barry will be there, Phil will be there, and none of us are going to be nodding. We'll listen to the arguments as we always do, we'll make the case we want to make and then we'll vote.

See you in Guildford

[Philip Benstead]

CTC AGM DETAILS ARE NOW AVILABLE AT



http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3654

[Mike Sutton]

Piqued wrote:
I find it quite amazing that, with the AGM in less than 2 weeks, no issues with regard to its proposals have been raised on this board.


And it will all be passed on the nod at the AGM

Go there and vote!

But do remember too much nodding can give you a head ache!