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I lost the will to live with this topic ages ago. Sorry

Oh dear, never mind ........

Pick a car up - if you are strong enough - is it still a car?

The differene between a Zebra crossings, Pelicon crossings and a Toucan crossing is....

You can RIDE your bike across a Toucan crossing. Others, you have to PUSH your bike across.

Admin said this was acceptable.

"A bicycle mechanic from Evans was forced to shoot a runaway bicycle on Birmingham's Corporation Street yesterday, but only after it had rolled over several shoppers. The Bicycle's owner, a fifty one year old from Sutton Coldfield said 'I thought I could lead my bike along the footpath. Someone shouted 'Oi!', my bike reared up and bolted in fright'.

Other shoppers were genuinely shocked by the incident. One well dressed lady protested "Look, I have bicycle manure on my new shoes".

A police spokesman stated "This is a very unfortunate incident for all concerned. The gentleman has lost a dear loved one. The council needs to revise its signage about access to bicycles in the city centre."

The person who shouted "Oi!" has yet to be identified, but it is belived he is a member of the AUDI owners club who were drinking heavily in the Midland Hotel just minutes before the incident. A criminal investigation is underway by West Midlands police force."

You might mock, but it does happen, and gets into Hansard:

Mr. HORNER asked the Chief Secretary whether he was aware that on 1st July, when the members of an Orange band were returning from Annahoe House, Ballygawley, county Tyrone, where they were having a new banner unfurled, they were attacked and stones thrown and several shots fired at them, and that one of the bullets hit and injured the bicycle of one of the policemen who were accompanying the band; whether any steps had been taken to bring any of the assailants to justice; and, if not, what was the reason?

Ayesha wrote:The differene between a Zebra crossings, Pelicon crossings and a Toucan crossing is....

You can RIDE your bike across a Toucan crossing. Others, you have to PUSH your bike across.

Which law, regulation or decided case says that? ie that you MUST do so, rather than SHOULD. I can't find anything.

snibgo wrote:You might mock, but it does happen, and gets into Hansard:

Mr. HORNER asked the Chief Secretary whether he was aware that on 1st July, when the members of an Orange band were returning from Annahoe House, Ballygawley, county Tyrone, where they were having a new banner unfurled, they were attacked and stones thrown and several shots fired at them, and that one of the bullets hit and injured the bicycle of one of the policemen who were accompanying the band; whether any steps had been taken to bring any of the assailants to justice; and, if not, what was the reason?

The Metropolitan Police deployed pedal cyclists to escort the Olympic flame through the capital al lot more recently than that.

It could be argued that since the Chronically Sick & Disabled Persons Act 1970 overturned the 1835 Act as far as disabled cyclists are concerned, the subsequent equality acts have extended that exemption to all users, since it is no longer legal to discriminate on the basis of disability (among many other things).

TFL discussed cycling on zebras here http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/businessandpartners/cyclists-use-of-zebra-crossings.pdf and page 10 of this seems to put it quite succinctly http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/businessandpartners/shared-zebra-crossing-study.pdf

sirmy wrote:TFL discussed cycling on zebras here http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/businessandpartners/cyclists-use-of-zebra-crossings.pdf and page 10 of this seems to put it quite succinctly http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/businessandpartners/shared-zebra-crossing-study.pdf

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7. Rule 64 of the Highway Code states that pedestrians should not ride across a pelican, puffin
or zebra crossing. (my emphasis)

They certainly had some experts working on that. Easy to see why it was never published.

thirdcrank wrote:

Ayesha wrote:The differene between a Zebra crossings, Pelicon crossings and a Toucan crossing is....

You can RIDE your bike across a Toucan crossing. Others, you have to PUSH your bike across.

Which law, regulation or decided case says that? ie that you MUST do so, rather than SHOULD. I can't find anything.

What's a "Zebra crossing"???

Is it a pedestrian RoW across a roadway, that is denoted by white stripes and Belisha beacons to warn motor traffic of its existence?

Yes?

If it is, its an extension of a "Pavement" which cyclists MUST not ride on. ( Rule 64 ).

Ayesha wrote:

thirdcrank wrote:

Ayesha wrote:The differene between a Zebra crossings, Pelicon crossings and a Toucan crossing is....

You can RIDE your bike across a Toucan crossing. Others, you have to PUSH your bike across.

Which law, regulation or decided case says that? ie that you MUST do so, rather than SHOULD. I can't find anything.

What's a "Zebra crossing"???

Is it a pedestrian RoW across a roadway, that is denoted by white stripes and Belisha beacons to warn motor traffic of its existence?

Yes?

If it is, its an extension of a "Pavement" which cyclists MUST not ride on. ( Rule 64 ).

Don't think so. Giving peds priority doesn't turn a road into a footpath/footway. Rule 64 refers to the Highway Act as the legislation. The Highway Act Sect 72 states "If any person shall wilfully ride upon any footpath or causeway by the side of any road made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot passengers; ". Clearly a Zebra crossing is not "by the side" of a road it is the road.

So cycling on a zebra crossing is not banned under the Highway Act..

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Wil ... ry-c556689

Well that's cleared that up.

I'll ride across them in future and when I'm pulled up before the Beak, I'll refer my defence to the CTC Forum and what irc said.


Are this lot telling lies?

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/ ... ssings.pdf

"It is not illegal to cycle across a Zebra crossing if there is shared-use to either side, but it is contrary to Rule 64 of the Highway Code which states that cyclists should dismount and walk across Zebra crossings. Breach of the highway code could be used as evidence of an offence, eg cycling dangerously, or of evidence of negligence in the event of a collision."

If we go back to the subject ofthe thread, it's about wheeling bikes on footpaths, rather than riding them on pedestrian crossings.

It seems to me that ultimately, it's only a court decision that even begins to decide anything ie subject to another court decision. It also seems to me that unless your name is Regina, one of the quickest ways to get your name in lights at the top of a legal precedent is to be seriously injured. (That#s how Crank v Bolton or whatever it's called got to court.) I'm sure none of us wants that, so we can only do our best.

I think that the position with footpaths across land is that there is a right of way on foot only and somebody exercising their right can take things that are a reasonable part and parcel of walking. (I can't link to a source for that, it's something I've probably read and it will have been dressed up with expressions like appurtenances.) This means, for example that pushing a baby buggy should be OK wheeling a large handcart, probably not. The only reason I can see this being tested in respect of wheeling bikes would be if a landowner decided they were trespassing. I suspect I've posted before that I could imagine an off road cyclist on some ducal estate being told to retrace and leave the private land, getting off their bike, taking the line "You can't touch me" and three or four trusty ducal retainers giving them the bum's rush, and using their "posterior cleavage" as a handy alternative for a butterfly cycle stand. Anybody fancy their chances against the ducal legal team in the higer courts?

Footways are a bit different, as there is also the possibility of prosecution. Once upon a time. it would have been hard to imagine anybody being reported for wheeling their bike on a footway when people rode their with impunity. Tickets are issued for it now, often by people with a minimum of legal training. I outlined the various avenues of appeal against summary conviction recently on another thread. I'd not want to be the one trying to decide whether to go to the Crown Court or to go straight to the Queen's Bench Division.