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Guy951 wrote:Charles (a local Maths teacher) works at the Samuel Whitbread school in Clifton.

Perhaps they could rename it the George Bateman school and increase quality at a stroke...

Si wrote:What's that you say? When making the decision to have kids you assumed that teachers would always be there to teach? Yes, just like when becoming a teacher, teachers assumed that they wouldn't see a sustained attack on both their benefits and their working conditions.

Quite!

thirdcrank wrote: .............Teachers may not be poor, but I doubt if there is another country in the developed world where they are treated so badly as in this country, simply because the people most able to raise standards opt out of the state system.

Spot on!

Guy951 wrote:**It's not just teachers who are in dispute with the lords of mis-rule.

i know that. i've mentioned those on less generous salaries upthread. however, those other strikers are punishing the employers by striking....not punishing the families who they hope support them.

hubgearfreak wrote:

thirdcrank wrote:Let's suppose that teachers had decided to take industrial action by not teaching, but had decided to continue to report to their workplaces and look after their pupils. The apparent impact of the industrial action would then be zilch so it might run undefinitely, just so long as teachers could exist without pay. The real result of anything that went on for longer than a day or two would be harm to the children, especially 'deprived' children, and it would increase as the 'strike' dragged on.

it's a good point. perhaps the industrial action could have been to refuse to do the government's required anaylses?

I think you may have missed my point. All you seem to be really concerned about is childcare, and more precisely your own childcare arrangements. The inference I make is that teachers might as well be replaced with a workforce of childminders on short-term contracts on the national minimum wage. I know that teachers are really striking in an attempt to preserve their own pay and conditions, rather than through altruism, but the long-term effects of a poorly-paid, demoralised teaching workforce are felt by the children they teach. (I've no connection at all with anybody in the teaching profession, so my only personal interest now is the future of my young grandchildren, who spent part of today here.)

thirdcrank wrote:my young grandchildren, who spent part of today here.)

it's lucky for your child that they didn't have to take a day off - not everyone's so fortunate

thirdcrank wrote:All you seem to be really concerned about is childcare, and more precisely your own childcare arrangements.

as it happens, that's wrong. my wife is a (mature) student - it was no problem in this house. what's got me riled is that some've got paid to go to work on strike and did so without regard for the work arrangements of everyone else. you'll be aware that there's some right illegitamates amongst employers

hubgearfreak wrote:what's got me riled is that some've got paid to go to work on strike and did so without regard for the work arrangements of everyone else.

Still not quite sure what you're saying, because surely people are either on strike or getting paid, not both. but that's leaping to a wildly inaccurate assumption. I think you'll find they're universally aware of this and don't like having to cause side-effects like that, but they feel the point has come where the only effective action is to strike.

Have you never had to do anything that has undesirable consequences but is still the best thing to do in the circumstances?

pete75 wrote:

Si wrote:

hubgearfreak wrote:
perhaps not. he could be good with children, intelligent, concientious and all the rest of it. but no english 'O' level, or a minor crime on a drunken night out as a student = no chance

In the case of the O level, then he has an inferior ability to those who have qualified as teachers thus they are better rewarded.
As for the crime - it would have been his choice to commit the crime.

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Have you any evidence that someone without an O level in English has "inferior ability to those who have qualified as teachers"? Are you just making a sweeping statement or are you deluded enough to believe that a single examination taken on 1 day at 16 years of age really does indicate inferiority or superiority of ability?

I think that your question either demonstrates a sizeable lack of understanding of the issue, or just an attempt to take a contrary position for the sake of it. ' D minus - must try harder in class'.

I don't know about striking teachers, but yesterday I was really suffering because my council's diversity co-ordinator had been on strike.......

Al

Si wrote:

pete75 wrote:

Si wrote:In the case of the O level, then he has an inferior ability to those who have qualified as teachers thus they are better rewarded.
As for the crime - it would have been his choice to commit the crime.

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Have you any evidence that someone without an O level in English has "inferior ability to those who have qualified as teachers"? Are you just making a sweeping statement or are you deluded enough to believe that a single examination taken on 1 day at 16 years of age really does indicate inferiority or superiority of ability?

I think that your question either demonstrates a sizeable lack of understanding of the issue, or just an attempt to take a contrary position for the sake of it. ' D minus - must try harder in class'.

What issue ? If I have misunderstood whatever you think the issue is please explain.
I think most reasonable people would take exception to a sweeping statement that someone without an English O level(which includes everyone who reached the age of 16 after about 1984) has inferior ability to those who qualify as teachers. Surely it depends on the individual concerned.
A+ for sarcasm F for content , clarity and relevence

pete75...you need to go up thread a bit .... si was saying i should not moan about teachers conditions as i could have been one myself .... actually i was a teacher ..... Fast Jet servicing and avaition weapon loading .... not exactly the '3 r's' ....

LANDSURFER74 wrote:pete75...you need to go up thread a bit .... si was saying i should not moan about teachers conditions as i could have been one myself .... actually i was a teacher ..... Fast Jet servicing and avaition weapon loading .... not exactly the '3 r's' ....

Yep but what I object to and consider wrong is his view that someone without an O level in English is somehow inferior in ability to a school teacher. They maybe or they may not be. It is a sweeping and unjustifiable statement.

I see Jeremy Clarkson joined in the frey with some ludicrous comments on the one show

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15993549

It will be intersting to see how the BBC responds to this latest bit of "laddish humour" AKA buffoonery. He wasn't just talking about running over riff-raff like cyclists this time.

(I think I can hear a toothless watchdog retreating further into the kennel.)

thirdcrank wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15993549

It will be intersting to see how the BBC responds to this latest bit of "laddish humour" AKA buffoonery. He wasn't just talking about running over riff-raff like cyclists this time.

(I think I can hear a toothless watchdog retreating further into the kennel.)

What does Clarkson do that makes him so indispensable?
He doesn't make anyone with half a brain laugh,I can't for the life of me see where his talent lies,as was Jonathon Ross he serves no purpose.