Really really really small bike! For a tiny woman.

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Yael
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horizon wrote:yael: thanks for that but are we still not agreed that there is no essential difference apart from size? The quality issue is nothing to do with cycling, it's to do with attitude (on the part of parents and makers). The cost element doesn't really come into it as there are plenty of parents driving Jaguars and BMWs who are nevertheless unable to buy a good quality child's bike. My impression is that children's bikes are seen as toys, Xmas presents or status objects - they are not designed to be ridden. This says a lot about the state of cycling in the UK but rather less about the essential difference between a child's bike and an adult one.


The size is the major difference, yes. Not just the frame size - it's also the wheels (obvious enough on children's bikes, but for some reason not obvious on, for example, XS hybrids), the cranks, the handlebars, brake levers, saddle, pedals. On a good child's bike, everything is scaled to suit a smaller person.
But there are other things that need to be taken into consideration, and I think they are essential or at least important design features. One thing is the weight. And 0.5kg here or there makes a bigger difference than on an adult's bike. It's obvious.
Then gears - triple on the front can be enough to confuse plenty of adults, so that's probably more so for young children.
Misuse and abuse - children's bikes need to be more durable, because they get chucked about more.
Having said all that, most children, let's face it, don't have a 10-mile commute every day. And only the lucky ones get to go cycle touring at a young age. So for most of them bikes are toys. There's nothing wrong with that, except for the fact that nowadays toy=plastic...
The last thing that is special about children is the fact that they expand quite quickly at times - it means that most parents are not willing to pay the real value of a real bike. It's not inherent for cycling, I agree with you, but I hardly see this attitude with shoes or clothes. That's the main reason in the real world almost all children's bikes are terrible. Then again, what's the difference between adult's clothes and children's clothes? It seems quite elusive on many children I see out and about.

I think that if I had to choose, I'd go with a bike that was made for small adults, or a good bike that was made for children. I understand why the OP wants to have more options, but with most of the other options you need to know more about the pitfalls or spend more money than her budget permits. I think she got quite a lot of advice, and I hope she'll report back on her decision.
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Hello, as requested here is a bit of an update.

I went to a local bike shop yesterday and they said they couldn't order the 13" Trek in for me to look at on a 'sale or return' basis; they would only order one if I bought it up front. I was a bit disappointed because that's where I got my current Trek from, and I thought they would be more helpful.

I then e-mailed a larger bike retailer in the city centre and they have said they will order one in for me to look at, but could I please go to the shop to discuss and look at the other bikes they have first so they can be sure. That's fair enough, so later this week I will be cycling into town to their shop.

If that doesn't work, I will try Islabikes, although it will be a major faff as I will have to arrange for a dog-walker and go down on the train. Thankfully once you have chosen a bike they do courier it to you so I wouldn't have the hassle of trying to get back on the train with a bike (we all know what that's like now that the guard's vans have been dumped!).

The reason I was against children's bike in my original post was that the first two bikes I had were children's bikes and they were cheap and nasty, but the only ones I could find to fit me, so that had tarnished my view considerably. We are talking 20 years ago so things have moved on since then!

I'm not letting myself get excited about a new bike until I'm actually riding it properly, as mine, for the first time!

Thank you all for your advice - it's been very interesting. And I've seen some great folding bikes (the airnimal and bike friday) that gives me something to save up for. By the time I'm ninety-five I might have saved enough ...... :D
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theres a small knight road frame on ebay at mo should be about ok for you.ps not mine
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Just went back to your original post. Do you still have all the original equipment on your Trek mountain bike? Have you tried changing wheels, or just tyres, to make it lighter and faster? (knobbly tyres really slow you down on road) Will your current bike really not take a rack? (Most early rigid mounatin bikes would and pictures I've found of Trek 800s suggest they at least have eyelets at the dropouts.)

I take the point about the frame being steel and heavy, as it is an overbuilt bike for off-road use, but the frame and fork make up a surprisingly small proportion of the overall bike weight (perhaps 30%, give or take) You may be able to considerably improve the ride and speed of you current bike just with new wheels and narrower, slicker tyres.
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cols3064 wrote:theres a small knight road frame on ebay at mo should be about ok for you.ps not mine


This one?... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KNIGHT-CYCLES ... 35b8b0f167

A 49cm would suit a 5' 0" to 5' 3" rider. OP is 4' 8". Needs two sizes smaller.
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Hi,

I've no idea how compromised the bike handling may be due to it's size - but the Tifosi CK7 goes down to a XXS with a seat tube (to the top) of 450mm (400 c-c). It has all the rack and guard mounts too:

http://www.chickencycles.co.uk/index.php?cat=1&sub=119&ord=0
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Short people can wear children's clothes and shoes


No, they can't. You have tried at great length to tell me an adult bike isn't suitable for the OP. But please don't try to tell me an adult can wear children's clothes. They cannot. Adults have shapes and curves children do not, and although height-wise I "should" be able to wear clothes designed for children, my adult shape dictates that I cannot.

That also completely ignores the psychological reluctance an adult has to use something designed for a child.

I'm more grateful than ever for my adult bike.

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Islabikes aren't cheap or nasty or heavy. (I have 2 in the garage). They are proper scaled down versions of adult bikes, with some thought given to componentry (shorter-reach brake levers, shorter cranks, shallow and narrow handlebars).

There's a petite lady i often see locally, who's always riding an Islabike Luath, with mudgaurds and panniers.
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purplecyclist wrote: 17 Jan 2012, 12:25pmHello, as requested here is a bit of an update.
It was 10 years ago ... what happened in the end? (I was thinking about similar problems, & used the search function to get here).

I see there is a site now, kidsracing.co.uk. No one mentioned Mini Velos which were originally a Japanese thing for shorter people with smaller appartments that use the wonderful 451 wheel size. There are also a lot of "proper" teenager sizes of Dutch-style bikes.

As a cheaper option, I would have concurred with building up a custom one based on an original Dawes Kingpin (non-folding). Much nicer, lighter, & easy to build up than a Raleigh 20.
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home wrote: 5 Jul 2022, 3:30am
purplecyclist wrote: 17 Jan 2012, 12:25pmHello, as requested here is a bit of an update.
It was 10 years ago ... what happened in the end? (I was thinking about similar problems, & used the search function to get here).

I see there is a site now, kidsracing.co.uk. No one mentioned Mini Velos which were originally a Japanese thing for shorter people with smaller appartments that use the wonderful 451 wheel size. There are also a lot of "proper" teenager sizes of Dutch-style bikes.

As a cheaper option, I would have concurred with building up a custom one based on an original Dawes Kingpin (non-folding). Much nicer, lighter, & easy to build up than a Raleigh 20.
Juliane Neuss from Germany has specialized in creating bikes for that target group for ages, so. https://junik-hpv.de/arbeitsbereiche/fa ... -menschen/
Kids bikes are simply not set up for the job properly as - apart from optics - the realtion of body shapes differ between kids and adults, short or not. The bikes are individually built and fit to the individual person, not cheap but obviously worth the money as she has a lot of happy customers. In Germany, the health insurance often covers a bike for very short people (under certain circumstances).
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steelframe wrote: 7 Jul 2022, 7:30amKids bikes are simply not set up for the job properly as - apart from optics - the realtion of body shapes differ between kids and adults, short or not ... In Germany, the health insurance often covers a bike for very short people (under certain circumstances).
Thanks for that. Typically enlightened of a more socialist Germany too.

I was impressed by Isla Bikes also doing bicycle for kids (adults?) with dwarfism. I'd never considered their needs either.

People are just too complacent at accepting the crap they're served up in this country. Of course, it would help if we still had a local manufacturing base too. It's a lot easier to get the changes you want when you can just cycle up to Nottingham and bang on the gates, or speak to the foreman in person.
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