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meic wrote:

But the car was a consequence of other technologies you can't take the benefits of all modern technology then say "but I don't want the car".

Well another benefit of the technologies was firearms, like for example the ubiquitous AK47.
Now any individual family is better off if they own an AK47, it is invaluable for protecting yourself and family from paedophiles, rapists, muggers, murders and rapists or on a lesser level burglars, noisy neighbours and troublesome pets.
Who would be without one?

Silly comparison. I'm in the USA just now where AK47s are legal in many places. Few people own them. Almost everyone owns cars. Cars provide benefits to everyday life.

Well, at least its some sort of result, and has some value and a practical result, rather than irelavent waffle! Although I agree its not a lot of money.

Al

Edwards wrote:

drossall wrote:Private use of cars is, given the current costing structure, almost invariably selfish, in that benefits are internalised and costs externalised.

As skidd has said, I didn't write that.

Because you are able to ride a bike due to your good fortune try being grateful for your good luck and not so judgemental about others not so fortunate as you.

I'm not able. I've got an arm problem and have been off the bike for nearly two months now.

kwackers wrote:...Of course the idiots that live in the houses can't be bothered driving round the back so they just use the cycle lane as parking - handy that the cycle lane is just the right width for a car!...

This article in today's Times is of some relevance if followed through.

Rick.

irc wrote:

meic wrote:

But the car was a consequence of other technologies you can't take the benefits of all modern technology then say "but I don't want the car".

Well another benefit of the technologies was firearms, like for example the ubiquitous AK47.
Now any individual family is better off if they own an AK47, it is invaluable for protecting yourself and family from paedophiles, rapists, muggers, murders and rapists or on a lesser level burglars, noisy neighbours and troublesome pets.
Who would be without one?

Silly comparison. I'm in the USA just now where AK47s are legal in many places. Few people own them. Almost everyone owns cars. Cars provide benefits to everyday life.

So long as you ignore the losses that they cause.

drossall wrote:As skidd has said, I didn't write that

Please accept my apologies I have no idea how the quote was attributed to you. I must have made a mistake somewhere. It was not intentional and I certainly did not do it deliberately.

Edwards.

Do I get the courtesy of a reply?

• How do you know I am not grateful for my good luck?,
  
• How judgemental am I allowed to be for others not as fortunate as I?
  
• Is it cool to be judgemental about people as fortunate or more fortunate than I?

At the moment I presume

• You haven't got the foggiest idea
• As judgemental as is fair, but you hadn't thought of that
• It is exactly the same, but you were trying to make an appeal to emotion. Which is really kind of wierd, in that it is me who has the greater grasp of general welfare, whatever each individual's particular station

respectively

Now, I may be wrong, but so far you have ignored my questions, despite seeing the post, and just placed some sanctimonious apology up about something which is hardly relevant. I took a lot of time out to answer yours, as I will do for anybody, even though after years of experience I know people having their lack of understanding exposed will find a way to gag me or keep 'a dignified silence'. I hope you are not one of these.

skidd wrote: But pay the costs (And if it is for a life saving operation on my one of my kids I'll pay your petrol and bung you an extra £50, that should cover comprehensive insurance, pollution, behavioral modification, noise, vibration, downstream and upstream costs etc etc).

Skidd when I read the quote above I thought I would leave you to it. Thank you very much for your time. I am not likley to change my position and understand your point, so I think it is better for me to leave you to your own feeling and beliefs.

Edwards:

Cool. I am pleased that I tipped the dignified silence, unhappy that I've wasted so much time on someone who seems to be relatively uniformed, rude for rudeness sake, speculative, irrational and dogmatic, and distraught that the human race is populated by so many whose minds are so closed by cognative dissonance or even pure mean spiritedness that they endanger our futures.

Edwards said "when I read the quote above I thought I would leave you to it. Thank you very much for your time. I am not likley to change my position and understand your point, so I think it is better for me to leave you to your own feeling and beliefs."

My post went up on Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:07 am,

Edwards then got stuck in on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:36 am and didn't leave it to me and did not leave me to my own feeling and beliefs.

Consistent or what?
Please add qualifications to feelings and beliefs.

It was good to read about the funding gained from this campaign. I am now wondering how the money will be allocated and to what schemes?

£150m has been allocated to improve dangerous junctions all over the UK. The Times suggested that cyclists should lobby their local councils to bid for the funds to improve the junctions that they saw as most dangerous.

Al

al_yrpal wrote:£150m has been allocated to improve dangerous junctions all over the UK. The Times suggested that cyclists should lobby their local councils to bid for the funds to improve the junctions that they saw as most dangerous.

Al

Isn't that pretty much any traffic island?
I watched a cyclist going around an island the other day with a white van just two feet behind her, the driver aggressively weaving from side to side as he tried to figure out which side to overtake on.

Looking at the latest figures it's probably pedestrians that need help, cycling deaths down, pedestrian figures up.

http://twitter.com/julianhuppert/status ... 5299171329

£15 million seems to be the figure, that's perhaps £24k per constituency or perhaps one junction per constituency.

Finding good solutions means taking the issues seriously.

Steady rider wrote:http://twitter.com/julianhuppert/statuses/217536445299171329

£15 million seems to be the figure, that's perhaps £24k per constituency or perhaps one junction per constituency.

I don't know, 24k will buy a lot of white paint - even the expensive stuff the council will be using. Failing that you can probably get a handful of 'Cyclists Dismount' signs...

£9 billion Olympics including £20 million for that heap of scrap, £30 billion high speed line saving a few minutes.

£15 million is 1 part of 600 from £9 billion.

Perhaps those in Transport did not do maths at schools.