foxyrider wrote:Firstly, how useful are they? i'm not expecting to use them for main pegging but perhaps for rarely used guy lines or door hooks
It'll very much depend on the ground. If it's hard then a thin skewer is fine. If it's hard and stony too then it's the best chance you'll have of getting in to the spaces between the stones. But in anything soft they'll be pretty hopeless as there just isn't enough surface area to stop them being pulled through. In soft, dry soils or especially in sand about as much use as drawing pins...
pjclinch wrote:It'll very much depend on the ground. If it's hard then a thin skewer is fine. If it's hard and stony too then it's the best chance you'll have of getting in to the spaces between the stones. But in anything soft they'll be pretty hopeless as there just isn't enough surface area to stop them being pulled through. In soft, dry soils or especially in sand about as much use as drawing pins...
I must admit I'd always assumed that they were useful for soft ground but not hard. I take the point about the space between the stones but how much pressure can you put on the pin to force it through those gaps? Not a lot I'd have thought (though I've never tried in anger).
andymiller wrote: I must admit I'd always assumed that they were useful for soft ground but not hard. I take the point about the space between the stones but how much pressure can you put on the pin to force it through those gaps? Not a lot I'd have thought (though I've never tried in anger).
Haven't played with them myself either to be sure, but titanium pegs (even silly ones) have a reputation for considerable toughness so I'm guessing you can force them in reasonably effectively as long as you can find something to whack the top with, or at least spread the pressure you apply with your hand (I tend to lean on things via rocks).
andymiller wrote:They'd be good for kebabs though.
We are back to the mallet/ no mallet thing! By experience i always carry one.
I've bent / damaged several V pegs over the years trying to get them into hard / stony ground so if the silly pegs stop me havbing to replace a few pegs i guess they will pay for themselves!
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foxyrider wrote:We are back to the mallet/ no mallet thing! By experience i always carry one.
I've bent / damaged several V pegs over the years trying to get them into hard / stony ground so if the silly pegs stop me havbing to replace a few pegs i guess they will pay for themselves!
I think you'll just end up bending them. I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
If you want indestructible, then these are the babies to go for:
we use ti pegs (from alpkit i think), for all the peg points on our wolfskin tundra 3. for really hard, stony ground, i keep my gloves on and wiggle them in somehow. i put them in on quite a shallow angle and have not had any pull out.
i soft ground they go in just off vertical.
no problems in heavy rain and strong winds.
-- Burls Ti Tourer for tarmac Saracen aluminium full suss for trails.
andrewjoseph wrote:i soft ground they go in just off vertical.
They're generally going to do better at an angle more like 45 degrees. They'll generally wiggle progressively as they're loaded, and once that takes them past the vertical they'll just slide out. A good angle makes that point harder to get too, while shallower then 45 degrees the point won't be far under and it's more likely the peg would pull straight out of broken ground.
andrewjoseph wrote:i soft ground they go in just off vertical.
They're generally going to do better at an angle more like 45 degrees. They'll generally wiggle progressively as they're loaded, and once that takes them past the vertical they'll just slide out. A good angle makes that point harder to get too, while shallower then 45 degrees the point won't be far under and it's more likely the peg would pull straight out of broken ground.
Pete.
yes Pete, this is what i do with normal tent pegs. i have found the best angle for these thin pegs in soft ground to be something like 70/80 deg. too shallow an angle (45 deg), and they tend to pull out. at least, that is my experience with thin pegs.
-- Burls Ti Tourer for tarmac Saracen aluminium full suss for trails.
