Campag 10 Speed Powershift ergos with the Hubbub clamping will work, and Campag 11 speed Ultrashift ergos with a regular clamping should also work - both using a Shimano rear mech. There are no Shimano 9 speed sti's with internal cabling.
TBH, the safest bet is get some NOS 9 speed Tiagra STI's from SJS and put up with the washing lines. This is what I've done, converting from Campag US on one bike. I've modified the cable exit at the levers using 90 deg V brake noodles. It gives the impression of a better engineered design and allows me to use a bar bag
Yes a shame - looks like an expensive option to go STI (hidden) or Campagnolo. Might just have to put the money saved to cafe stops and live with old school down tube shifters - still got them on the tandem.
I guess that's progress with non backwards compatibility - not complaining - I remember a five speed block, and when sun tour power ratchets were the were the best! When indexing came out I thought it was witchcraft until I had a go...
Must put it all into perspective and remember that it's supposed to be a 'winter bike' as nice as it is and get out and ride.
I have Sora 9 speed STIs on the bike that I use for Audax and day rides. I put the route sheet in a clear zip-lock bag and peg it to the 'washing lines' with clothes pegs: works a treat Watching the forums few people appear to have problems with Shimano STIs, they just need a bit of lubrication sometimes at high mileages or if used for winter commuting, whereas quite a few people seem to be asking advice about repairing worn out Campag Ergos.
On my touring bike I have Campag Veloce 10 speed Ultrashift Ergos shifting an 8 speed Shimano transmission, using a Shiamno MTB mech at the front. The shifting is clunkier than the all Shimano 9 speed, but perfectly serviceable for the purpose. I hope they last well, not sure about spares availability for these 2010 ones.
I have broken two rear gear cables, both in the STI unit near the nipple.
The eight speed took 7,300 miles, the nine speed took 6,000 miles. The replacements have not been in service that long yet. I do change gear very frequently.
it is a fair comment, but the shimano STI internals I've looked at have been built with robust spring-loaded pawls; individually these parts are no more complicated (or likely to wear out) than, say, a freewheel mechanism. En masse, they simply need to be lubricated (and largely free of dirt, bits of broken cable etc...) to ensure reliable operation; provided you do that, then they can last for a very long time. Despite concerns about long term reliability, I have some which date from 1992 which are still OK, and this is not uncommon, whereas failure of these parts (from other than accident damage) is.
By contrast the original campag ergo mechansim is simpler but is designed differently, in such a way that it will inevitably wear in use. It is a different philosophy... you wouldn't design a freewheel with 'G' springs, but then this isn't a freewheel, is it...? I can live with the idea that once every few years I need to fit another ten quid's worth of G springs and maybe a carrier, but if the 'repair' is buying half the guts again then I'm somewhat less keen on it.
niggle wrote: quite a few people seem to be asking advice about repairing worn out Campag Ergos.
Might that be because the Campag ones are repairable whereas Shimano aren't so no point in asking how to repair.
You would still expect a few who don't know that asking the question, plus in an earlier thread I asked if anybody had had a failure of their STI and nobody replied.
Good tip there niggle! I was going to ask about bar bags but I think that's a whole different can of worms...
May have a look at the shimergo route - I have a friend with a Hewitt who has mixed Ergos and shimano - set up by Hewitt. I'd always assumed that he'd done this by mixing the spacers on the rear cluster - but maybe it's by altering the cable pull location.
I have some veloce Ergos on my old winter bike - so I could try that first. Was hoping to sell the old winter bike complete though - but it should prove the concept either way... I'll put some time in the garage and report back.
My understanding is that 9 speed rear derailleurs will work fine with 10 speed shifters and cassettes, but 9 speed compatible chainsets will not work happily with 10 speed doubles or triples. So to go to 105 10 speed you will need to change your chainset and the shifters.
So the whole thing could well be got around with 10 speed shifters and replacing the cassette and thats it then. To be honest I dont see why you would need to replace the chainset if going 10 speed, maybe chain width on the cogs?
MGate wrote:Good tip there niggle! I was going to ask about bar bags but I think that's a whole different can of worms...
May have a look at the shimergo route - I have a friend with a Hewitt who has mixed Ergos and shimano - set up by Hewitt. I'd always assumed that he'd done this by mixing the spacers on the rear cluster - but maybe it's by altering the cable pull location.
I have some veloce Ergos on my old winter bike - so I could try that first. Was hoping to sell the old winter bike complete though - but it should prove the concept either way... I'll put some time in the garage and report back.
If you look at the page I linked to, you will see the cable pull shown in the one table. If you use that table then you match the Campag shifters to the Shimano drive train. So for a 9 speed Shimano drive train you would use 11 speed Campag shifters. You just have the extra clicks one at each end. What speed are the Veloce ones you have got? Have a look at this page from Ribble. This should give you an idea about prices.
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honesty wrote:So the whole thing could well be got around with 10 speed shifters and replacing the cassette and thats it then. To be honest I dont see why you would need to replace the chainset if going 10 speed, maybe chain width on the cogs?
not even a new cassette I think; 9s cassette, 9s mechs (with revised cable mounts) 9s chainset and 10s shifters could work I think.
An 8 speed Shimano compete drive train indexes perfectly with Campag 10 speed at the rear. It is the front that can be a problem due to the different cable pull. If one of the extra clicks is used at both ends of the shifter range then the inner cable can be properly rested with no stretch at all.
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Watching the forums few people appear to have problems with Shimano STIs, they just need a bit of lubrication sometimes at high mileages or if used for winter commuting, whereas quite a few people seem to be asking advice about repairing worn out Campag Ergos.
