Boardman on Daily Politics

[TonyR]

Chris Boardman gave another good account of himself on the Daily Politics show on Wednesday (on iPlayer about 1hr16mins in) including deftly dealing with the H-word question but what a disappointingly uninformed shambles the BBC reporter and two politicians presented.

[meic]

If anybody wishes to dwell on the h*l**t part of it, there is another thread locked away in the dungeon.

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[Revolution]

I watched the piece and then wrote to the BBC to complain about their shoddy journalism. OK, it's not storming the Bastille but if everyone wrote to politicians and journalists every time they trotted out the same ill conceived hackneyed arguments it might, just might make them think.

[PaulB]

I've always liked Chris Boardman. He tells it like it is without hysterics or drama, knows cycling inside out, and, like me - he wears Rohan! As for the politicians; two ignorant (about cycling) people who are full of their own importance. I bet they never heard one word Chris said in his excellent report because they were obsessing over him not wearing a h*l**t. Just shows what we are up against. And they wonder why so few of us bother to vote.

[Geriatrix]

Chris was on R4 again this morning. As usual using reason to make good points.

[Valbrona]

Chris was on R4 again this morning. As usual using reason to make good points.

But reason tends not to work when you want change.

[reohn2]

But reason tends not to work when you want change.

Much as it pains to say it but I find myself agreeing with that statement.
We live in a country where most politrickians allow themselves to be bought and sold to the highest bidder,where policing is cut to the bone so much so as to be practically ineffective in everyday life.
Where money SHOUTS above all else and where the ordinary man has become so disillusioned he makes it up as he goes along.
Reason sadly,is becoming evermore rare in such a land.

[TonyR]

But reason tends not to work when you want change.

Much as it pains to say it but I find myself agreeing with that statement.
We live in a country where most politrickians allow themselves to be bought and sold to the highest bidder,where policing is cut to the bone so much so as to be practically ineffective in everyday life.
Where money SHOUTS above all else and where the ordinary man has become so disillusioned he makes it up as he goes along.
Reason sadly,is becoming evermore rare in such a land.

Nothing to do with that. The seminal work on how reason does not work in getting change was in WW2 and is still at the centre of modern change management.

[reohn2]

Nothing to do with that. The seminal work on how reason does not work in getting change was in WW2 and is still at the centre of modern change management.

I'm not sure I understand,could you elaborate?

[TonyR]

Nothing to do with that. The seminal work on how reason does not work in getting change was in WW2 and is still at the centre of modern change management.

I'm not sure I understand,could you elaborate?

See http://www.guardianpublic.co.uk/solace-atkinson-october

[reohn2]

Nothing to do with that. The seminal work on how reason does not work in getting change was in WW2 and is still at the centre of modern change management.

I'm not sure I understand,could you elaborate?

See http://www.guardianpublic.co.uk/solace-atkinson-october

So we agree?

[TonyR]

See http://www.guardianpublic.co.uk/solace-atkinson-october

So we agree?

Not really. You attribute it to being a modern phenomenon caused by contemporary attitudes. Its not. Its been that way for a long time and is seemingly innate in most of us.

[reohn2]

Not really. You attribute it to being a modern phenomenon caused by contemporary attitudes. Its not. Its been that way for a long time and is seemingly innate in most of us.

No,not so much a modern problem but a problem of a society that lacks social responsibility and where profit is an absolute.
This is so obvious(to me at least)in our society as to be blatant with attitudes by some so skewed as to be almost unbelievable,which is seen daily on the roads.
The attitude in our society is one that if it isn't profitable it isn't worth doing.public utilities are a prime example,public transport being classic.
If we can't provide a public transport system run as a service instead of slowly choking ourselves to death by car there's no hope,yet we continue to choke because of the profit made by the motor manufacturers and oil companies and demonise those that speak any other language as socialists(the worst stigma to be attached to a person or institute in such a society),freeloaders and wasters.
This is institutional lunacy,with the car tail wagging the society dog.
Am I barking up the wrong tree?
The Remploy factory structure has been scrapped recently because it was too costly to run,A decision based purely on profit,and sold that those people will find work in the private sector.Guess what.
No chance.
Someone somewhere looked at figures and decided it was cheaper to close the factories that employed people with learning difficulties,the chances of those people getting employment else where is minimal to say the least.
The knock on effect of that decision will be,misery for those who had a job,a skill,a social structure and now don't,plus the next generation of disabled people will suffer the same fate.
Who knows what other problems those people will suffer as a result of not working,lack of earnings,lack of social structure leading possibly to physical and or mental health issues,social abuse,etc,etc.
But hey,we saved a few £££ or did we?.
The sickness of a society based solely on profit,is an obscenity.
Look west for a prime example.

[TonyR]

I think you are addressing a different topic entirely to the one of the ineffectiveness of reasoning in effecting change.

[reohn2]

I think you are addressing a different topic entirely to the one of the ineffectiveness of reasoning in effecting change.

I don't believe I am.