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fretsaw wrote:very tragic;but surely such a epic ride would present problems with overcoming fatigue,and the resulting loss of concentration

reohn2 wrote:

Cyril Haearn wrote: .. riding without sleep ... What about P-B-P, it takes place in 2015. Should it be banned or restricted? Open question!

It's something that troubles me about long distance Audax events.
But then again any driver of a vehicle not needing a tachograph to measure time driving,could be behind the wheel of such a vehicle at considerably higher speeds for as long as they saw fit,which is a worrying thought.
The difference of course is that a sleep deprived cyclist would more than likely only put their own life at risk.
Whereas someone driving a motor with the same level of sleep deprivation has the potential for far more devastation.

TonyR wrote:e.g. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/s ... y-cyclists
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... sleep.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... years.html

Vantage wrote:These words need to be drilled into the head of every [ person ] given a driving licence...

A short time later I had to wake up my 12, nine and five-year-old to tell them that their daddy was dead.
The sounds that they made can only be described as horrifying.

reohn2 wrote:

thirdcrank wrote:

661-Pete wrote: ... But I probably shouldn't be speculating - not on this thread at this time. ...

It all depends on the evidence gathered during the investigation, of course, but if this were to result in a contested trial, I'd expect that the defence would emphasise the length of time the deceased had been riding apparently without sleep, and the implication of poor mental health.

Before anybody jumps on me, I'm only predicting a couple of lines the defence might explore, without expressing an opinion on the merit of their doing so.

But could only be of any value if the defendant claimed the cyclist had wobbled/veered/swerved in front the car she was driving.But at twice the legal limit and 15+mph over the speed limit,with four month driving experience,how reliable would her account of events be?
Not very is my estimation .

Cyril Haearn wrote: .. riding without sleep ... What about P-B-P, it takes place in 2015. Should it be banned or restricted? Open question!

It's something that troubles me about long distance Audax events.
But then again any driver of a vehicle not needing a tachograph to measure time driving,could be behind the wheel of such a vehicle at considerably higher speeds for as long as they saw fit,which is a worrying thought.
The difference of course is that a sleep deprived cyclist would more than likely only put their own life at risk.
Whereas someone driving a motor with the same level of sleep deprivation has the potential for far more devastation.

niggle wrote:....IMO this would belong in the 'Too Lenient' thread if he met the crieria of having killed a cyclist...

niggle wrote:I am reminded of this ironic story on YACF https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=54579.0 supposed to have been in the Daily Telegraph on 03.12.11:

"Tired driver in crash
A company director killed a motorist after going without sleep for 27 hours.
Nicholas Day, 30, was driving home to his family in St Albans, Herts after a cycle ride from Hyde Park, London to Whitstable, Kent, when his car hit another, driven by father of two, Andrew Viner, 47. Day pleaded guilty to death by careless driving on June 18 at St Albans Crown Court."

EDIT: newspaper report here: http://www.stalbansreview.co.uk/news/94 ... r/?ref=rss

"The judge sentenced Day to seven months imprisonment suspended for two years.

He was told he must carry out 200 hours of unpaid work and he was banned from driving for 18 months and his licence endorsed." IMO this would belong in the 'Too Lenient' thread if he met the crieria of having killed a cyclist...

661-Pete wrote:For those who don't know and haven't followed up the link, it seems that the person responsible for this fatal accident had either failed to heed advice, or had been poorly advised, after participating in one of a series of nocturnal Friday rides organised by a person who used to contribute to this forum, besides others. Indeed some of you may have participated in those rides - I myself did in a few of them in their first year (2006). I understand that that individual (the organiser, I mean) has finally stepped down from the job. Now, I don't want to finger any person for 'guilt by association', but IMO it's probably just as well. However, I hope the rides will continue under new management. They are an excellent thing, provided people are sensible about getting rest after the ride!

reohn2 wrote:I don't understand and am bemused by your post .

(far from being a time of seasonal cheer and bonhomie for me, this is a season of severe angst because of a number of bits of personal stuff..... )

661-Pete wrote:

reohn2 wrote:I don't understand and am bemused by your post .

Are you?

Well perhaps I shouldn't have posted this, there's a backstory about a long-standing 'issue' I have with the person I referred to, which shouldn't have been aired (far from being a time of seasonal cheer and bonhomie for me, this is a season of severe angst because of a number of bits of personal stuff..... )

Sorry.

But I still think the Friday Night rides ought to be a going concern. Even if I've been unable to join in myself for some years. I just hope there'll never be a repetition of this very sad occurrence.

661-Pete wrote:For those who don't know and haven't followed up the link, it seems that the person responsible for this fatal accident had either failed to heed advice, or had been poorly advised, after participating in one of a series of nocturnal Friday rides organised by a person who used to contribute to this forum, besides others. Indeed some of you may have participated in those rides - I myself did in a few of them in their first year (2006). I understand that that individual (the organiser, I mean) has finally stepped down from the job. Now, I don't want to finger any person for 'guilt by association', but IMO it's probably just as well. However, I hope the rides will continue under new management. They are an excellent thing, provided people are sensible about getting rest after the ride!