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uwidavid wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 2:03pm The problem with TV licensing is there are some grey areas such as viewing youtube live streams. I don't have a TV (or a license) and I am very unsure which live streams are alright to view and which aren't.
There are some videos by "the black belt barrister" (on youtube) that suggest that the live stream needs to be provided by a regular TV broadcaster for you to need a license, but as I said it is all very vague.
https://www.gov.uk/tv-licence
https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/televis ... tv-licence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Televisio ... quirements

Please could you give an example of one you're not sure about.

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Stop Press - everybody can watch old Charlie get a crowning... :wink: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/ ... onation-tv
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simonineaston wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 2:41pm Stop Press - everybody can watch old Charlie get a crowning... :wink: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/ ... onation-tv
"Older readers" will surely remember that the last coronation in 1953 was perhaps the event which popularised television, particularly outside broadcasting.
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My point being that if Flunkey is to be believed, Brian is keen to replicate his mother's coronation.
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As an example some weeks ago I was tempted to look at some live cricket on

https://app.icc.tv/home

would I need a TV license for that?
And with the English county cricket season coming up soon (yes it seems to start earlier every year). Do I need a license to view https://www.youtube.com/user/LancsCCCOfficial if I wanted to watch live cricket from old trafford?
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simonineaston wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 2:41pm Stop Press - everybody can watch old Charlie get a crowning... :wink: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/ ... onation-tv
It'll be on YouTube anyway.

Or, down at the pub where QE2's funeral was aired ................. let alone footie matches etc.
All you need to do is be there, socialise and have a beer or two ..................... and watch anything for free.
You'd be drinking beer anyway, TV or not.

TVL is a dead duck.
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Hi,
The death of my partner in question was not quite six months ago.
You don't need a TV license if you don't watch live TV.
Or you don't watch iPlayer.
You don't need a license to have equipment to watch live TV.
Only if you actually watch it.

There is a lot of we might Do this we might do that we might contact your parents!
What a load of mumbo-jumbo.
All I've done is pull my TV aerial out of my receiving equipment.
How on earth will they prove that I plugged it in?
Well They can't Can they.
since I cancelled my license on the 31st of January this year I've not watched any live TV on any of my devices or at my property.

If someone comes knocking on my door I would naturally assume there are a cold caller.
That's about as far as the conversation will go.
If they return with a warrant they're happy to come and have a look at my equipment.
having the ability to view live TV and actually viewing live TV will be very difficult to determine.
I'm not splitting hairs I'm just saying that I've got no intention in watching live TV anyway.
My conscience is clear.
I'm just watching the apps with the exception of iPlayer which I need to sign into to watch anyway.
I think if you don't sign into iPlayer and you don't sign into the website on BBC websites, I don't think the BBC can never have you because they can't exactly do you for being in the wrong place at the wrong time without identifying yourself.

I don't have a TV license and I never have had a TV license in my name!
I actually paid for five months for a TV licence that wasn't in my name.
TVL have decided to give me a full refund.
So basically I've never paid for a TV licence either in my name.
Maybe TVL will target me because I have a house and I don't have a TV license?
That's okay but I've got no intention i'm signing up for anything any time.
Why would I sign up for something that I don't use?

It would appear that the only people that are deemed to need a license that doesn't have one.
Are the ones who are a bit naive on why you need one anyway.
I'm sure that these people say things like we don't watch BBC stuff we only watch other stuff, which happens to be live every now and again.
If you're not signed in anywhere and you don't watch live TV and you understand this You're not gonna get done are you.

I am sure the BBC and TVL are reading all of this.

I am happy for you to give a reason for why I need to sign up for anything?
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I’m in agreement with you. What grinds my gears is the tone and frequency of the mail shots. I object to receiving, every month, mail that visibly implies I am in debt, breaking the law and likely to be summonsed to court. Such is their ferocity that I feel obliged to open them to see if they have legitimately arranged a visit through the courts.
I have a wood burning stove. Perhaps the Environment Agency would like to send me letters implying I am a criminal that is likely to burn waste containing toxic material.
I have a good relationship with our postman and felt pushed to explain what the letters were.
“Oh, don’t worry” he said “I get plenty of them to deliver. They even send them to me so I know how it works”
I shouldn’t have to feel that way.
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Hi,
Quite.
People shouldn't be made to feel like criminals, for doing nothing!
Like Mick says, "TVL is a dead duck" !
The sooner the BBC and TVL realise that the sooner money and resources are no longer wasted, and people are no longer being abused for a Draconian system which prays on the vulnerable and one's least likely to be able to pay.

I don't think we need any more explanations on how the TVL works and what you should do to stay within the law.
When it's obvious for Years & Years people are being abused, just so the BBC can carry on employing people and paying them large sums of money and of course the gold plated copper bottom and pensions (which enable them to retire while everybody else has to carry on working)!

When I see ministers secretaries MP's et cetera arguing or discussing, that it needs to be discussed on how the BBC license all the BBC will continue, I do start to wonder what their interest really is and why they are pushing it and spending large sums of money discussing it, if the BBC want to be competitive then maybe the BBC should be paid to view.

Now some will say we need News which is independent.
But it's pretty obvious BBC (the BBC news channel is hardly news it's just a media show) is not independent news at all.
Most of the programs reports are not newsworthy.
Especially when all they seem intent in doing Is looking for stories with headline grabbing, in an attempt to appeal to peoples interest in something slightly not quite right or slightly amusing et cetera et cetera.

And then of course there's "their mates ".
you'd have to be living in a cave or be a bit stupid and naive not to realise, that the media are very self-serving and corrupt.
The BBC is no different here.
my in-laws have all been on local BBC news.
They are all socially connected (mates) and guess what they all work for the state!
Does make you wonder why people who work for the state and are connected are more likely to appear in the media?

Charlie, then there is honours.
If only they stopped giving them too many retired civil servants!
"For services to XXXX "oh you actually get paid for that job too.
Where did doing a deed above and beyond what is expected and what you're paid for even come into it?
It doesn't, You just have to be connected.

The BBC is dead........
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peetee wrote: 1 Mar 2023, 9:12am I’m in agreement with you. What grinds my gears is the tone and frequency of the mail shots. I object to receiving, every month, mail that visibly implies I am in debt, breaking the law and likely to be summonsed to court. Such is their ferocity that I feel obliged to open them to see if they have legitimately arranged a visit through the courts.
I have a wood burning stove. Perhaps the Environment Agency would like to send me letters implying I am a criminal that is likely to burn waste containing toxic material.
I have a good relationship with our postman and felt pushed to explain what the letters were.
“Oh, don’t worry” he said “I get plenty of them to deliver. They even send them to me so I know how it works”
I shouldn’t have to feel that way.
Assuming you are certain that you have no requirement for a TVL, would it make you feel any better if you were able to "grind their gears" ?

At the operational level, I doubt they could care less. I fancy it's a computerised system including a call centre set up, driven by cost-effectiveness. A big part of this has always been bluff.

With the caveat that it might be easy to get yourself into a state, you might try a campaign of complaints through eg your MP and the various toothless watchdoggies/omsbuddies. The key here is to try to ensure that your complaints don't just generate a standard fob-off. Your MP may be pro or anti BBC or couldn't care less but they should take up your concerns as a constituent. In particular, I'd make it clear that you would like any replies to be through your MP or at least their constituency office. You certainly don't want somebody from Crapita etc., ringing you up.

One of the things which seems to come up is withdrawing the implied right of access by which they can knock on your door. There's even an acronym WOIRA. That's the sort of thing I'd ask my MP to forward on my behalf on the basis that I didn't trust the BBC's representatives.

One of the things that irritates me is the amount of advertising on the BBC from the likes of BoatyMcBoatface plugging "our BBC" when it's really about BBC pensions etc. I have a TVL, so it's something I feel entitled to dislike.

In the lingo, the TVL is a legacy system whose days are surely numbered. The sprawling management at the BBC didn't anticipate how quickly support for the licence fee funding model would collapse through a combination of subscription services and scandals.
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NATURAL ANKLING wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 12:37am
Jdsk wrote: 24 Feb 2023, 9:58am
NATURAL ANKLING wrote: 23 Feb 2023, 9:13pm ...
But I was asked date of death....................I replied information not in the public domain!
...
What country is this? Death certificates in England and Wales are public:
https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisati ... oi-eir.pdf
I might of got that wrong.
A death certificate has not been issued.
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NATURAL ANKLING wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 10:11pm ...
The death of my partner in question was not quite six months ago.
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Are you sure that there isn't a death certificate?

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Jdsk wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 2:38pm
uwidavid wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 2:03pm The problem with TV licensing is there are some grey areas such as viewing youtube live streams. I don't have a TV (or a license) and I am very unsure which live streams are alright to view and which aren't.
There are some videos by "the black belt barrister" (on youtube) that suggest that the live stream needs to be provided by a regular TV broadcaster for you to need a license, but as I said it is all very vague.
https://www.gov.uk/tv-licence
https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/televis ... tv-licence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Televisio ... quirements

Please could you give an example of one you're not sure about.
uwidavid wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 6:36pm As an example some weeks ago I was tempted to look at some live cricket on

https://app.icc.tv/home

would I need a TV license for that?
And with the English county cricket season coming up soon (yes it seems to start earlier every year). Do I need a license to view https://www.youtube.com/user/LancsCCCOfficial if I wanted to watch live cricket from old trafford?
Thanks for the examples.

If you run them through those three descriptions of the rules do they say that you need a licence or not?

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Mick F wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 7:58pm
simonineaston wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 2:41pm Stop Press - everybody can watch old Charlie get a crowning... :wink: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/ ... onation-tv
It'll be on YouTube anyway.
...
If there weren't this exemption why would it being on YouTube be relevant to whether you need a license?

Thanks

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Jdsk wrote: 1 Mar 2023, 10:08am
Mick F wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 7:58pm
simonineaston wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 2:41pm Stop Press - everybody can watch old Charlie get a crowning... :wink: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/ ... onation-tv
It'll be on YouTube anyway.
...
If there weren't this exemption why would it being on YouTube be relevant to whether you need a license?

Thanks

Jonathan
Because live streamed content on any platform (including youtube) is licensed if it is produced by a (poorly defined) broadcaster.
Since coronation footage will be produced by an obvious broadcaster, it would need a license normally.
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
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[XAP]Bob wrote: 1 Mar 2023, 3:06pm
Jdsk wrote: 1 Mar 2023, 10:08am
Mick F wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 7:58pm It'll be on YouTube anyway.
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If there weren't this exemption why would it being on YouTube be relevant to whether you need a license?
Because live streamed content on any platform (including youtube) is licensed if it is produced by a (poorly defined) broadcaster.
Since coronation footage will be produced by an obvious broadcaster, it would need a license normally.
Yes: it will be streamed live by a broadcaster... so it being on YouTube wouldn't be relevant to whether a licence would be needed...

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Hi,
Jdsk wrote: 1 Mar 2023, 10:04am
NATURAL ANKLING wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 12:37am
Jdsk wrote: 24 Feb 2023, 9:58am
What country is this? Death certificates in England and Wales are public:
https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisati ... oi-eir.pdf
I might of got that wrong.
A death certificate has not been issued.
...
NATURAL ANKLING wrote: 28 Feb 2023, 10:11pm ...
The death of my partner in question was not quite six months ago.
...
Are you sure that there isn't a death certificate?

Jonathan
As I am a bit naive on law and such.
Interim death cert has been issued to me to sort out affairs.
An inquest is still to follow so would a interim death certificate be in the public domain?
I could not find the answer to that on the internet, whether a "Interim Death Certificate" is made public.
If it was public then it her death would probably be in the press?
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