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Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 6:58pm
by blackbike
RogerThat wrote:Good old Clarkson, he'll just take the whole format to SKY and the BBC will have lost a 100 million quid golden goose.
Good.
I've no objection to junk TV and I know many people enjoy it.
But I'd rather not be associated with it in any way, which I am currently because of the way it is funded by the state via a tax on TV use.
I have similar views on other things that silly people enjoy like smoking or drinking super strength cider. I wouldn't want to ban these activities but I don't want to fund them via my tax payments either.
The seedier, less morally scrupulous parts of the private sector provide these things to those who want them, and that's how I'd like stuff like Top Gear delivered to the poor souls who want it.
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 8:42pm
by 661-Pete
Re fisticuffs: anecdote from my workplace.
Setting: several years ago in the metalwork shop (hence, dangerous machines nearby). Employee A throws a punch at employee B. B (a supervisor) retaliates in kind. Separated by fellow-workers, both hauled up to HR, along with witnesses. Following testimony, A gets the sack on the spot, B is given a final written warning. B refuses to accept written warning, and walks out too. Upshot: company loses two good sheet-metal workers for a very stupid reason (whatever it was - I never heard). And two men are put in a position where they'll find it hard to get employment (again, I never heard about that).
But as far as I could tell, no-one else in the workforce really blamed HR for taking the action they did - they didn't have any other option.
So - yes - for most employers, punch-ups = dismissal. But of course my employers didn't have a Clarkson to dispose of, just a couple of ordinary workers who could be replaced. With JC the situation is a whole lot more complicated....
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 8:47pm
by Psamathe
blackbike wrote:RogerThat wrote:Good old Clarkson, he'll just take the whole format to SKY and the BBC will have lost a 100 million quid golden goose.
Good.
I've no objection to junk TV and I know many people enjoy it.
But I'd rather not be associated with it in any way, which I am currently because of the way it is funded by the state via a tax on TV use.
Likewise.
C4 new this evening commented that all 3 presenters are appearing very unconcerned about the incident and what the BBC might do as it is thought that they are considering moving to another channel anyway. Supposition I assume. I thought BBC owned the name, but I guess if the 3 presenters moved elsewhere the name change would be much of an issue for them. And if that is the case (or even a possibility) then the theories about the BBC not being able to afford the loss of such a "cash cow" is somewhat irrelevant.
Ian
Ian
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 12 Mar 2015, 11:29am
by Elizabethsdad
Psamathe wrote:blackbike wrote:RogerThat wrote:Good old Clarkson, he'll just take the whole format to SKY and the BBC will have lost a 100 million quid golden goose.
Good.
I've no objection to junk TV and I know many people enjoy it.
But I'd rather not be associated with it in any way, which I am currently because of the way it is funded by the state via a tax on TV use.
Likewise.
C4 new this evening commented that all 3 presenters are appearing very unconcerned about the incident and what the BBC might do as it is thought that they are considering moving to another channel anyway. Supposition I assume. I thought BBC owned the name, but I guess if the 3 presenters moved elsewhere the name change would be much of an issue for them. And if that is the case (or even a possibility) then the theories about the BBC not being able to afford the loss of such a "cash cow" is somewhat irrelevant.
Ian
Of course none of them are bothered - they all have enough money or other income sources that they probably don't need to do another days work again (if indeed they ever did one in the first place). Even if the same rules are applied to rich as to the poor they are still least affected by them.
Ian
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 12 Mar 2015, 11:30am
by RogerThat
They can't take the format with them to another Channel, but they can take themselves and re-engineer the format to avoid copyright issues. BBC loses all round, and the licence payer. The sooner the BBC is funded by itself the better, I do like the service but there's just an enormous amount of competition from other players and online digital providers like Netflix.
I fear we are hearing, in the Top Gear 'fracas ' the final death throes of a public funded broadcast. Probably not before time.
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 12 Mar 2015, 11:39am
by Vorpal
RogerThat wrote:I fear we are hearing, in the Top Gear 'fracas ' the final death throes of a public funded broadcast. Probably not before time.
I sincerely hope not. I like the BBC, and I thnk that there are some areas where they do good quality programming that would be either not viable or marginal, if it were a commercial venture. This includes some educational and children's programming.
Children's television, with a few exceptions, is of poorer quality in other countries, and riddled with commercial advertising, besides.
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 12 Mar 2015, 1:31pm
by tyreon
In nursing the manager is allowed to chase down the(male) staff nurse shouting,"come back here,you girl". The deputy manager is allowed to assault the said nurse.
Staff at said unit had wanted to commit suicide through management's behaviour.
All and more+++ reported: End result: Nothing done. Management and union collaboration: staff,clientele, shafted. Transplant and magnify this story to Scotland: It's why no one up there believes anything anyone says in authority,especially from England. And I'm English!
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 12 Mar 2015, 4:33pm
by RogerThat
There will only be three real beneficiaries from this: And they're all currently presenters on Top Gear. Go or stay, you can bet they'll be revising their contracts upwards. Clarkson et al should have probably pulled anchor on the BBC at least three years ago. The BBC, I'm afraid to say, have got it coming.
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 12 Mar 2015, 4:36pm
by RogerThat
Vorpal wrote:RogerThat wrote:I fear we are hearing, in the Top Gear 'fracas ' the final death throes of a public funded broadcast. Probably not before time.
I sincerely hope not. I like the BBC, and I thnk that there are some areas where they do good quality programming that would be either not viable or marginal, if it were a commercial venture. This includes some educational and children's programming.
I like the BBC and much of its output too, but it's mostly replicating digital content that's available elsewhere for free. And there is also the serious issue of bias, which after the Scottish referendum was blatant. They're an old dog which has lost its teeth, and the wolves are circling. I can't see the BBC as a wholly public funded institution much past 2016. It's days, sadly are numbered.
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 12 Mar 2015, 7:43pm
by blackbike
The BBC has a bullying problem, which it acknowledges.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvan ... osses.htmlThe report found that some of the worst bullying and "inappropriate" behaviour involved stars. "It was noted that there were examples of presenters being managed out of the organisation or removed from a programme, but usually this was perceived as only being dealt with 'too late' – such as when their programme or their profile was no longer considered valuable, or when the person's reputation was already tarnished." Sounds like Clarkson might have managed himself out of the BBC.
I'd be astounded if the BBC fails to get rid of Clarkson if he's found to have assaulted a junior, non-star colleague.
Not only would this make a mockery of the corporation's claim to want to tackle its bullying culture, but it'd add another scandal to the recent child sex abuse, expenses, huge redundancy pay offs and HSBC linked ones which the BBC has recently become involved in.
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 12 Mar 2015, 8:23pm
by maxcherry
What about the person who was attacked (if the media is correct) aren't they the victim and Clarkson the aggressor?
If it is true, than Clarkson should be sacked. Why was the assault not reported to the police?
Seems anything is ok at the Beeb, just as long as they get the money and no crimes against children are reported. Then it's
business as usual.
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 12 Mar 2015, 10:47pm
by Psamathe
maxcherry wrote:What about the person who was attacked (if the media is correct) aren't they the victim and Clarkson the aggressor?
If it is true, than Clarkson should be sacked. Why was the assault not reported to the police?
Seems anything is ok at the Beeb, just as long as they get the money and no crimes against children are reported. Then it's
business as usual. :roll:
A complete guess but Clarkson is the celebrity. If you as a replaceable part of the production team cause the highest paid star (?) the BBC have to get the sack, what are your career prospects in the future (either in the BBC or the wider industry) ? A bit like e.g. NHS whistleblowers where despite government cries to encourage people to speak out, most who do destroy their careers and find it impossible to get appropriate work ...
Ian
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 12 Mar 2015, 11:15pm
by JohnW
If this is about Clarkson and only about Clarkson, then to me, Clarkson defined himself by his articles in the 'Sun' (which is about Clarkson's level)in which he encouraged motorists to kill cyclists - not in so many words, but he encouraged them to be contemptuous and despise us. I also saw a short snippet of his rhetoric on a programme which suggested disrespect for cyclists. I can't remember his writings and his utterances verbatim, but there have been threads on this Forum on the matter, at the time.
Some blokes play with trains, some blokes play with toy soldiers................and Clarkson plays with aggressive and fast driving. I have railway modellers down as civilised, creative and intelligent, and looking at model railways at least, very talented and skilful...............but I have Clarkson down as immature, 'clever' and useless.
Unfortunately, he does have a following.
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 12 Mar 2015, 11:15pm
by RogerThat
Seems to have only been a pitiful 'handbags at dawn' affair, so no assault took place, ergo nothing to report to the police. I fear the BBC will yet again make itself look very foolish in the public eye. God help them if the Tories get relected, they've had their eye on disbanding the broadcasting behemoth for decades. A few more cock ups like HSBC, Glitter, Saville, Cliff Richard and now Clarkson and they can pretty much open the book on privatisation. And then it's goodbye aunty beeb forever ...
Re: Top Gear Protests
Posted: 12 Mar 2015, 11:16pm
by JohnW
RogerThat wrote:...........Cliff Richard................
Hey, be careful Roger.