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thunderbird wrote:Sorry I'm not meaning to subvert

but "the national cycling charity" says nothing.... and as you suggest campaigning can be government lobbying and helping individual members, it just seems a stronger aim... to 'campaign'

the main problem i see with my suggestion is the word "cycle" as many motorcyclists would see that this includes them

best wishes....Keith

honesty wrote:So set up a group to do that, or use one of the many current campaigns to do it. Subverting an historic organisation that fulfills many different roles to do this seems stupid. I've seen it in another charity I've had dealings with though, the change in focus from helping those the charity was set up to help to campaigning and lobbying government to do that job for them. Not to say that having government do the said thing is not a bad thing, in general the charities were set up to mitigate against a failing in the current provision/ability of the state, but, it goes to the core of the charity - is it there to provide help and support to an individual or is it there to modify the state to do this.

thunderbird wrote:I'm new to this but why not make a bold step....

CJ wrote:....A few years ago,...,I even hashed up a logo myself and circulated it to all the Councillors...

CJ wrote:I've got no problem with that. To my mind travel and transport are but two sides of the same cycling coin. We want the same facilities, broadly the same kind of bike and CTC has always been about both. So why not have both? The initials of are the same after all. I first suggested at least 20 years ago, to the then CEO Alan Leng, that CTC also register Cycle Transport Campaign and use that elaboration of CTC as convenient.

A few years ago, in response to the hopelessly weak ideas dreamt up by the last bunch of image consultants, I even hashed up a logo myself and circulated it to all the Councillors...

CTC.png

See what I did there? Got rid of the pesky apostrophe. Actually, when the Bicycle Touring Club voted on a change of name in 1885 (yes, they used to let members a vote on that kind of thing back in those primitive days) 'Cycle Touring Club' came second, and the reason given that it did not win was that the term 'Cycle' had only recently been coined and was as yet considered "too slangy". And the magazine is already called Cycle, so doesn't it hang together just perfectly?

I got no formal response to my idea. One councillor commented that they couldn't possibly run with two names. But hang on, isn't that exactly what they now propose?

I think the real objection of the erstwhile racers who've taken control of This Great Club that used to be Ours, is that neither Touring nor Transport include sport (except as a second syllable). And guess what: the first thing these usurpers did before converting to a charity is to change our objectives so that sport was not only mentioned (it never was before), but heads the whole category of cycling that we're about!

CJ wrote:I've got no problem with that. To my mind travel and transport are but two sides of the same cycling coin. We want the same facilities, broadly the same kind of bike and CTC has always been about both. So why not have both? The initials of are the same after all. I first suggested at least 20 years ago, to the then CEO Alan Leng, that CTC also register Cycle Transport Campaign and use that elaboration of CTC as convenient.

A few years ago, in response to the hopelessly weak ideas dreamt up by the last bunch of image consultants, I even hashed up a logo myself and circulated it to all the Councillors...

CTC.png

See what I did there? Got rid of the pesky apostrophe. Actually, when the Bicycle Touring Club voted on a change of name in 1885 (yes, they used to let members a vote on that kind of thing back in those primitive days) 'Cycle Touring Club' came second, and the reason given that it did not win was that the term 'Cycle' had only recently been coined and was as yet considered "too slangy". And the magazine is already called Cycle, so doesn't it hang together just perfectly?

I got no formal response to my idea. One councillor commented that they couldn't possibly run with two names. But hang on, isn't that exactly what they now propose?

I think the real objection of the erstwhile racers who've taken control of This Great Club that used to be Ours, is that neither Touring nor Transport include sport (except as a second syllable). And guess what: the first thing these usurpers did before converting to a charity is to change our objectives so that sport was not only mentioned (it never was before), but heads the whole category of cycling that we're about! :roll:

Psamathe wrote:...Surprisingly, I probably would not be objecting (anything like as much) to "CTC-Cycle Transport Campaign"....

SA_SA_SA wrote:

Psamathe wrote:...Surprisingly, I probably would not be objecting (anything like as much) to "CTC-Cycle Transport Campaign"....

But CJ's suggestion kept both Touring Transport clauses for use as appropriate: so why object at all? :)

An alternative to the word 'Transport' would be the more vague/inclusive sounding? word 'Travel'?