Too much jogging 'as bad as no exercise at all'

mercalia · Post by **mercalia** » 3 Feb 2015, 2:21pm

Too much jogging 'as bad as no exercise at all'

I wonder about cycling?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31095384

pwa · Post by **pwa** » 6 Feb 2015, 9:03am

I think most of us already recognise that there is such a thing as too much exercise, and that athletes (including competitive cyclists) can pay a price for pushing their bodies so hard. It's their choice. For most of us it is good news, because what it means is that our pathetic few hours a week on a bike was the right level of exercise all along!

al_yrpal · Post by **al_yrpal** » 6 Feb 2015, 9:10am

Every keen jogger I know has had leg joint problems or fractures. Now this! Its a mugs game.

Al

reohn2 · Post by **reohn2** » 6 Feb 2015, 9:25am

Personal observation:-
I reckon there's a big difference between jogging and running.It's painful to watch most joggers,the stress levels on the body are awful to witness,by comparison to watch a runner is to see a gazelle like grace in their style,step and pace.

Joggers tend to carry at bit of timber to one degree or another and I always think they'd be far better off at a brisk walking pace,than subjecting their frame and CV system to such stress,at least until they're at some sort of target weight.

Swimming and cycling are known not stress the body as much and particularly the joints.

Post by **Graham** » 6 Feb 2015, 9:39am

I was half-listening to Radio 4 when there was a a short summary/review from the "More or Less" about this research.

My vague recollection is that study sample was such a small group that the widely published headline was extremely dubious.
" . . only two (excessive) joggers died and there is no record of what that died of . . . run over by a bus ? . . . some acute serious illness . . . "

This is the really good thing about the "More or Less" program, which continually debunks the statistics quoted in media headlines.
It gives an really useful insight into how the world works these days - essential listening.

How much cycling is too much ? To my mind, after a certain level of habituation one's own body will give adequate warning of when to stop and recover.

EDIT : Clarification from my hazy memory :
The sample size of people jogging excessively was 36. The number of them who died was two more than the expected number. [ I don't think they said what the expected number was. ]
As you can see the sample size is tiny.

reohn2 · Post by **reohn2** » 6 Feb 2015, 10:19am

Graham wrote:........How much cycling is too much ? To my mind, after a certain level of habituation one's own body will give adequate warning of when to stop and recover.

The problem with that is not everyone listens to what their body is telling them.

mill4six · Post by **mill4six** » 6 Feb 2015, 1:53pm

It's just another headline that has nothing to do with the actual claims made by the researchers. Scientists use statistics to see if a result is significant or random and they quote p values, usually >0.05 or <0.01 as a measure of their confidence in a result (95 or 99%). Reporters just go with the interesting sounding bit and give the couch potatoes of the world a (flawed) excuse to stay as they are.

bikepacker · Post by **bikepacker** » 6 Feb 2015, 4:32pm

Didn't the guy who started the crazy in the USA and wrote books about it, die of a heart attack while out jogging?

bikes4two · Post by **bikes4two** » 6 Feb 2015, 4:47pm

bikepacker wrote:Didn't the guy who started the crazy in the USA and wrote books about it, die of a heart attack while out jogging?

I think you are right but what we don't know is whether he might have died much earlier if he'd NOT jogged.

Going back to the OP - to much anything is usually bad - the trick is to knowing what's just right and with so many conflicting opinions about..........

Post by **Graham** » 6 Feb 2015, 6:27pm

reohn2 wrote:. . . . watch[ing] a runner is to see a gazelle like grace in their style,step and pace. . . .

Yep, that is me in my youth. Light, fast, smooth . . . almost floating along. It felt effortless and wonderful.

I did a lot of orienteering too - skipping lightly over the obstacles in the forests.

Forty years later I run like a duck and blunder through the woods like a drunken elephant. **

** Well last time I tried . . . . a looooong time ago !

bigjim · Post by **bigjim** » 20 Mar 2015, 9:00pm

bikepacker wrote:Didn't the guy who started the crazy in the USA and wrote books about it, die of a heart attack while out jogging?

Jim Fixx. Great book. He died at, I think, 45 while out running. He had genetic heart disease, had been a very heavy smoker before taking up running. His father dies at the age of 35. Make of all that what you will.
I run or jog. Love it! Not as far as I used to do, but don't find it hard work particularly. I'm heavy with big legs. I don't suffer any injury issues from jogging and the only knee pain I get is on the bike. Yes sometimes I run and feel like a gazelle, but not for long. Feel brilliant after I have been out for a run. We are all different creatures. Luckily.

MikeF · Post by **MikeF** » 21 Mar 2015, 9:59am

Too much of any exercise is probably not good! A mixture is far better, but some exercise is necessary for our well being.

mercalia · Post by **mercalia** » 21 Mar 2015, 10:20pm

Graham wrote:
reohn2 wrote:. . . . watch[ing] a runner is to see a gazelle like grace in their style,step and pace. . . .

Yep, that is me in my youth. Light, fast, smooth . . . almost floating along. It felt effortless and wonderful.

I did a lot of orienteering too - skipping lightly over the obstacles in the forests.

Forty years later I run like a duck and blunder through the woods like a drunken elephant. **

** Well last time I tried . . . . a looooong time ago !

yes running for the bus is not a good experience

axel_knutt · Post by **axel_knutt** » 22 Mar 2015, 12:34pm

reohn2 wrote:
Graham wrote:........How much cycling is too much ? To my mind, after a certain level of habituation one's own body will give adequate warning of when to stop and recover.

The problem with that is not everyone listens to what their body is telling them.

And some people are told not to listen.

bigjim · Post by **bigjim** » 22 Mar 2015, 1:25pm

axel_knutt wrote:
reohn2 wrote:
Graham wrote:........How much cycling is too much ? To my mind, after a certain level of habituation one's own body will give adequate warning of when to stop and recover.

The problem with that is not everyone listens to what their body is telling them.

And some people are told not to listen.

True. No pain no gain nonsense.
My body does not always warm me. If I [rarely] end up riding 80/90/100miles I feel tired but ok. Once I'm home and settled I feel so exhausted I don't know what to do. I don't sleep that night and need a full day to recover. Hence even though I know I'm capable of more, I tend to limit my mileage to below 70.

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