Invasive surgery now more widely used by the nhs than any other form of Weight Reduction programmes:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-32042480
NHS spends more on Bariatric Surgery than other Weight Loss
Re: NHS spends more on Bariatric Surgery than other Weight L
Non story really
Expensive option costs more than cheap option is hardly a shock
Expensive option costs more than cheap option is hardly a shock
Re: NHS spends more on Bariatric Surgery than other Weight L
Did you read this article!! They spend more in total on surgery in budgetary terms than on any other preventable measures of weight control!
18 months ago there were realistic plans to give 4 million people access to Bariatric surgery, free on the NHS! This is a damning inditement of NHS policy and their complete failure to tackle obesity at source: chronic eating patterns and a very large proportion of sedentary population. It's calculated that the cost of 4 Million Bariatric surgery ops would be offset against the £15 billion which obesity is (in my opinion very much underestimated) set to cost the UK over the next 5 years. Year per year, approximately the cost of Trident nuclear deterrent replacement!
Poor diet and obesity are now the biggest modifiable risk factors in premature death, at 20%. 33,000+ lives could be saved each year by diet modification alone. The fact that you are so ready to dismiss these very serious statistics speaks volumes for the UK population who are clearly unaware of the very rocky ride free health faces, in terms of provision at the point of need over the next five years.
18 months ago there were realistic plans to give 4 million people access to Bariatric surgery, free on the NHS! This is a damning inditement of NHS policy and their complete failure to tackle obesity at source: chronic eating patterns and a very large proportion of sedentary population. It's calculated that the cost of 4 Million Bariatric surgery ops would be offset against the £15 billion which obesity is (in my opinion very much underestimated) set to cost the UK over the next 5 years. Year per year, approximately the cost of Trident nuclear deterrent replacement!
Poor diet and obesity are now the biggest modifiable risk factors in premature death, at 20%. 33,000+ lives could be saved each year by diet modification alone. The fact that you are so ready to dismiss these very serious statistics speaks volumes for the UK population who are clearly unaware of the very rocky ride free health faces, in terms of provision at the point of need over the next five years.
Re: NHS spends more on Bariatric Surgery than other Weight L
Certainly a topic of some interest to me, and not one to be sneered at!
Hopefully I'll never enter the zone indicated for gastric surgery, as I understand it (not being a medic): it's generally offered to the morbidly obese (BMI>40) and those with a serious condition like diabetes. At present my BMI is slowly on the way down, from about 33 to 31, so the right direction!
I read somewhere that BMI is not a good indicator for those over 60 (I'm coming up to 65). True, I have shrunk in height by about 3 cm since my peak in my 20s and 30s, as I discovered by examining an old passport of mine (when did they stop putting your height in passports?). So, in calculating my BMI, should I use my peak height in the calculation, rather than my present height? That would give me a BMI of just under 30 - 'not obese' for the first time in years!
Anyway, no matter. My current course of action is merely, 'steady as she goes' and avoid the sugar!
But I certainly see an awful lot of folks who look morbidly obese, out in the street (and these are the ones who can get about - some of them in invalid buggies - how many can't even do that?). But Roger is right, there ought to be better ways than waiting until they get to that dreadful state and then wielding the knife!
My approach is entirely self-help (I registered briefly with WeightWatchers but soon flounced out). But I shall bring it up with my GP next time I go for a blood pressure test. Just to see if I'm on the right approach. Having said that, I asked about weight management over a year ago, and the doctor said I could put myself on the waiting list for the Weight Management course run by the surgery. I duly did that, and a few months later I was invited to join on the upcoming course, unfortunately it coincided with my holiday so I couldn't attend. They said, OK, wait until there's a vacancy on the next course. But a few months after that, I got a letter saying these courses are being discontinued.
I could still sign up for something run by the County Council, but it would be non-local and there was still a waiting list!
Yep. If this sort of thing keeps happening, not enough is being done in the prevention line. Even my DIY approach, seemingly bringing results for the present, may fail: I may lapse and shoot straight up again....
Just so long as it isn't the knife....
Hopefully I'll never enter the zone indicated for gastric surgery, as I understand it (not being a medic): it's generally offered to the morbidly obese (BMI>40) and those with a serious condition like diabetes. At present my BMI is slowly on the way down, from about 33 to 31, so the right direction!
I read somewhere that BMI is not a good indicator for those over 60 (I'm coming up to 65). True, I have shrunk in height by about 3 cm since my peak in my 20s and 30s, as I discovered by examining an old passport of mine (when did they stop putting your height in passports?). So, in calculating my BMI, should I use my peak height in the calculation, rather than my present height? That would give me a BMI of just under 30 - 'not obese' for the first time in years!
Anyway, no matter. My current course of action is merely, 'steady as she goes' and avoid the sugar!
But I certainly see an awful lot of folks who look morbidly obese, out in the street (and these are the ones who can get about - some of them in invalid buggies - how many can't even do that?). But Roger is right, there ought to be better ways than waiting until they get to that dreadful state and then wielding the knife!
My approach is entirely self-help (I registered briefly with WeightWatchers but soon flounced out). But I shall bring it up with my GP next time I go for a blood pressure test. Just to see if I'm on the right approach. Having said that, I asked about weight management over a year ago, and the doctor said I could put myself on the waiting list for the Weight Management course run by the surgery. I duly did that, and a few months later I was invited to join on the upcoming course, unfortunately it coincided with my holiday so I couldn't attend. They said, OK, wait until there's a vacancy on the next course. But a few months after that, I got a letter saying these courses are being discontinued.
I could still sign up for something run by the County Council, but it would be non-local and there was still a waiting list!Yep. If this sort of thing keeps happening, not enough is being done in the prevention line. Even my DIY approach, seemingly bringing results for the present, may fail: I may lapse and shoot straight up again....
Just so long as it isn't the knife....
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Re: NHS spends more on Bariatric Surgery than other Weight L
The reason bariatric surgery is popular is that it's what people want: an easy solution. Education and advice don't work because people already know the LCME diet is the answer, but they don't want it. As I recall, the CTC once got into bed with CS Healthcare about 15 years ago because they were offering a discount to cyclists, perhaps the NHS should take a leaf out of their book, and increase NI contributions for the obese and those who do no exercise.
“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
― Friedrich Nietzsche