Garmin 810

Paul Smith SRCC · Post by **Paul Smith SRCC** » 19 Apr 2015, 7:44pm

[XAP]Bob wrote:Openstreetmap mapping is available for free - and I've linked to the easiest site to get them from before

dcrainmaker.com has a good "How to download free maps to your Garmin Edge 705/800/810"

cheesypeeps · Post by **cheesypeeps** » 19 Apr 2015, 9:03pm

Thank you very much for that link. Think I'll be referring to that for sure when my new toy arrives

just hope it doesn't take too long as I'd rather be out cycling!

Post by **Mick F** » 20 Apr 2015, 5:35am

Smartphones.

Can you see them in the rain?
Can you operate the touch-screen wearing gloves?
Will they continue working for 8 or 9 hours without charging?

MGate · Post by **MGate** » 20 Apr 2015, 10:23am

Smartphone plus Garmin 810 and you can do 'live tracking' too - people can follow your progress online as a little blue dot on a map...

freeflow · Post by **freeflow** » 20 Apr 2015, 10:54am

Smartphones.

Can you see them in the rain?

Yes. Smartphone screens are typically designed to be used with backlighting. In low light conditions the screens are easily readable. In very bright sunlight you might need to shade the screen to get a good image. Getting a good display on a smarphone when outdoors in sunny conditions is one of the holy grails of smarphone design. FWIW when I had my Bryton it was also necessary to have the backlight on in sunny conditions, particularly if you were wearing dark cycling glasses. This meant that the Bryton typically only had power for 6-7 hours running. The major power consumer on my smartphone is the screen (80%) with the GPS typically only consuming around 10% of the battery.

Can you operate the touch-screen wearing gloves?

Not easily unless you have specially designed gloves or you have a very simple operation where wetting the end of your gloved finger is sufficient. However, this is not usually a problem for me as the phone is set up before I start riding and then touch is not needed until I stop for a break.

Will they continue working for 8 or 9 hours without charging?

It depends on the size of the battery and screen. My xperia ultra has a big battery (3000mah) but also a huge screen. Depending on the screen brightness I select then I can get run times upward of 5 hours before the battery needs charging. If I elected to use osmand for voice instruction and have the screen turned off then the 80% of battery normally used for the screen would mean that I could get much longer than 8-9 hours from the phone. As I posted above, the current sweet spot for a cycling smartphone would appear to be something like the Xperia Z3 compact which has a 4.3 inch screen and a 3000 mah battery (and is waterproof etc). If you count my external battery pack as part of the setup then I can easily achieve 12 hours cycling before I'm down to the 100% charge left in the phone itself. The weak part of my smartphone setup is that if it starts to rain I have to disconnect the external battery as the connection is not designed to be waterproof. In this case I still have 90-100% of charge left in the phone battery and charging with the screen off during a cafe break (or pub stop) can put a surprising amount of charge into the battery.

freeflow · Post by **freeflow** » 20 Apr 2015, 10:55am

Smartphone plus Garmin 810 and you can do 'live tracking' too - people can follow your progress online as a little blue dot on a map...

You can do this without a garmin 810. Be warned though, the tracking will burn your phone battery due to the constant requirement for a data connection to send position data.

MGate · Post by **MGate** » 20 Apr 2015, 2:11pm

Not too bad using them together as the position info comes from the Garmin so the GPS isn't running on the phone. Does 7 or 8 hours without killing the phone - modern iPhones have a low power chip for doing things like bluetooth in the background.

Post by **Mick F** » 20 Apr 2015, 2:44pm

freeflow wrote:
Smartphones.
Can you operate the touch-screen wearing gloves?

Not easily unless you have specially designed gloves ...............

That is one heck of a lot of disadvantage in cold weather then eh?

My Garmin works well with the thickest of winter gloves. Many is the time where I swap pages ........ speed/time/distance data, or the map (plus changing scale), or the elevation profiles, or the distance to home. Just a soft dab with the index finger will do it ....... gloved or not.

My Garmin will go for 12hrs on full brightness and I can put new batteries in too.

Smartphone?
Yes, take one, but use a Garmin (or similar) device as the main device. Keep the phone in your pocket.

cheesypeeps · Post by **cheesypeeps** » 20 Apr 2015, 4:35pm

Mick F.... I agree with you. I guess different things work for different people right enough. But having used my iPhone and found it not to be up to the job, then investing in an edge 200 Id agree with you.
Hence why I am happy to update my 200 to a 810. Was hoping it would have arrived today so it would be set up for a cycle 2moro. Hey ho!

good things come to those who wait and all that!

Thanks again to everyone for their helpful input!

RDW · Post by **RDW** » 22 Apr 2015, 1:17pm

cheesypeeps wrote:Thank you very much for that link. Think I'll be referring to that for sure when my new toy arrives just hope it doesn't take too long as I'd rather be out cycling!

See also:

http://www.scarletfire.co.uk/garmin-edge-tips-tricks/

I have an 800 and I'm generally impressed with the TalkyToaster versions of the OSM maps. The 800/810 is a nice device - robust, compact, weather resistant, and with excellent battery life without having to mess about with external cells. If it broke I'd get another (or something similar). But have to say I generally use it as a glorified 500. The screen is also fine for turn-by-turn navigation (TalkyToaster has routable maps), but when I have the option and I want a good look at the surrounding area, I generally stop and pull out the smartphone. The size and resolution of a modern phone screen and its improved touch sensitivity (though only without gloves!) make it a much better map viewer. For this I find the HERE maps app useful:

https://www.here.com/app/

You can download free high quality (Nokia) offline mapping for a whole country, complete with offline turn-by-turn navigation.

Post by **Mick F** » 22 Apr 2015, 6:01pm

Not wishing to harp on about this, but I'm a newbie to smartphones.
Mrs Mick F has recently upgraded and I've inherited her Samsung Galaxy 2 and I'm getting to grips with it.
I'm actually impressed with the things it can do, and I'm now a convert. :oops:

However, there is one heck of a problem now that the sunshine is here ................... the screen is of no use at all in sunshine! :shock:

Despite having the brightness at "Auto", it isn't brilliant enough to see outside in the sun, and the trouble is, as you can't see the screen you can't take it off Auto and turn it up to 100%. Today as an experiment, I turned it up to 100% (but I had to go inside the house to do it) and tried to send a text outside .................. useless.

Compare this to my Garmin.
In full sun, I can see it. I can see the maps, the data, the info, the settings .......... everything, and it doesn't have to be at 100%.

cheesypeeps · Post by **cheesypeeps** » 28 Apr 2015, 7:46pm

dcrainmaker.com has a good "How to download free maps to your Garmin Edge 705/800/810"[/quote]

Ok, so I tried to do this the other day. I followed it step by step and all seemed to go well. Until I tried to open it up on the garmin. There was only the base maps to select. It was as if the OSM didn't save to the SD card.
I then tried it again and it said the file was corrupt on the PC.
Any tips n hints. It was a brand new SD card and I've now ordered a new one.
Should I try another way to download the maps. Thanks in advance.

Erudin · Post by **Erudin** » 28 Apr 2015, 7:52pm

This worked for me:

1. Download the Routable Bicycle (Openfietsmap Lite) UK map from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/, click on the openfietsmap_lite_gmapsupp.zip link, when unzipped you have a single image 523MB file called gmapsupp.img.

2. Copy the gmapsupp.img file onto a microSD card that's in your 810 into a folder named GARMIN. The 810 loads the map automatically when switched on.

cheesypeeps · Post by **cheesypeeps** » 28 Apr 2015, 8:25pm

How do you unzip the file... It said gmapsupp not I didn't get any .img

Erudin · Post by **Erudin** » 28 Apr 2015, 8:35pm

If you dowload a zip, the folder will look similar to the pic below, right-click on it and select extract all.

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When copying the file onto the card in the 810 it should look something like this:

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