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Hi,

axel_knutt wrote: ↑8 Mar 2023, 9:09pm I assumed it was because I was moving around at the time, but it did it when I kept still too.

Don't move a muscle.............even your finger....otherwise it will keep pumping which can be painfull.

If your BP is high then it will hurt a bit!

NATURAL ANKLING wrote: ↑9 Mar 2023, 5:22pm Hi,

axel_knutt wrote: ↑8 Mar 2023, 9:09pm I assumed it was because I was moving around at the time, but it did it when I kept still too.

Don't move a muscle.............even your finger....otherwise it will keep pumping which can be painfull.

If your BP is high then it will hurt a bit!

It was overinflating when I kept still too. It has an electronic pulse sensor, unlike my Omron at home which works pneumatically, so like softlips says, if it's not fitted in the correct place it won't be able to detect the pulse. It didn't overinflate when I was standing on the bus using my arm to hang on to the handrail.

The cuff wasn't fitting snugly enough to stop it moving around between measurements.

In the 80s I was involved in a study looking at stress levels of a cohort of new trainee anaesthetists and in particular what the effect of joining the emergency on-call rota had on us.
Every morning after completing our 24hr emergency shift we had to complete a psychology questionnaire and take serial pulse and BP reading with a digital automatic cuff device over about 30mins IIRC.
I noticed that by actively relaxing during the testing period (it wasnt difficult as the possibility of sleep was absent when "on-call") I could reduce my BP quite considerably - frequently taking 20mmHg off my systolic. It became a game for me - trying to get my systolic and pulse rate as low as possible.

So P & BP does vary hugely from minute to minute and it is important to take serial BP reading in the same way and at the same time.


As it turned out going solo, anaesthetising emergency cases for the first time, didnt phase us much at all. But the cohort all getting admonished by the dept boss for something sent our readings sky high that day and was mentioned in the paper as an anomaly.

On good days my "relaxed" readings are still 56/min and 105/65 I'm pleased to say.

Jules59 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 2:11am In the 80s I was involved in a study looking at stress levels of a cohort of new trainee anaesthetists and in particular what the effect of joining the emergency on-call rota had on us.
Every morning after completing our 24hr emergency shift we had to complete a psychology questionnaire and take serial pulse and BP reading with a digital automatic cuff device over about 30mins IIRC.
I noticed that by actively relaxing during the testing period (it wasnt difficult as the possibility of sleep was absent when "on-call") I could reduce my BP quite considerably - frequently taking 20mmHg off my systolic. It became a game for me - trying to get my systolic and pulse rate as low as possible.
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Was that with or without the readings being visible at the time?

The last time I read up on biofeedback there was a lot of variation between individuals on how much influence they could exert.

Jonathan

Jules59 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 2:11am ...
So P & BP does vary hugely from minute to minute and it is important to take serial BP reading in the same way and at the same time.
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Yes. and to be very clear about the purpose of the observations.

Jonathan

Having another annual health check at the ill-health centre tomorrow.

They wrote asking me to measure height and weight and use their BP machine prior to my appointment.

Last time I did it, the devices connected to the system after logging in on their screen thingy.
The BP machine prints out, as does the weight scale ............ or at least they did. You had to write down your height of course.

Today, none of it printed,
I took photos with my phone with height and weight, but the screen with the BP didn't stay illuminated long enough to photo it, so memorised it.
I couldn't be bothered to tell the staff and just noted it all down on paper.
I'll tell the doc tomorrow that (yet again) all this is pointless ........................... and that their system is broken too.

Height 177.2cm
Weight 77.95Kg
BMI of 24.8 = healthy.

BP on their machine was 150 over 73.
Did it at home as soon as I returned and it was 138 over 79.

Yesterday evening, I did it, and it was 110 over 50.
May do it again later .................. but I won't bother.

While wishing you Seasonal Greetings, it occurs to me that one bit of info not captured by your obsessive measuring of your blood pressure is the alcohol level in your bloodstream which might be recorded in degrees proof. I can only go by your own remarks about how much you drink but iirc four pints is your lunchtime baseline

Hi TC, and season's greetings to you.

I had my appointment with the quack earlier. She took a blood sample - cholesterol and sugars.
Massive cholesterol problem, but under control through fortnightly injections. Injection Friday tomorrow.

She asked me about booze and I pull no punches about it. She added up a typical week for me and it was 42 units per week. Recommended max is 14.

Do I care?
Not a jot.

I'm as fit as a flea, walk miles with the dog, cycle miles too (including all the hills here). No electric assist either.

Later, I'll be walking the dog in the woods up the steep hill up to Chimney Rock and back. 3 or 4 mile walk.
Afterwards, we'll call in at the Rising Sun for a couple of pints. He likes it there, and so do I

Mick F wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 10:01am Hi TC, and season's greetings to you.

I had my appointment with the quack earlier. She took a blood sample - cholesterol and sugars.
Massive cholesterol problem, but under control through fortnightly injections. Injection Friday tomorrow.

She asked me about booze and I pull no punches about it. She added up a typical week for me and it was 42 units per week. Recommended max is 14.

Do I care?
Not a jot.

I'm as fit as a flea, walk miles with the dog, cycle miles too (including all the hills here). No electric assist either.
...

Being able to walk/cycle miles of being "as fit as a flea" is not the only measure of medical issues.

Ian

We all make choices, that's pretty much the long and short of it.

Bonefishblues wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 10:12am We all make choices, that's pretty much the long and short of it.

Given the choice, I would rather die quickly at home from a heart attack than sit slumped in an armchair in front of a television in a care home for years.

Mike Sales wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 10:19am

Bonefishblues wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 10:12am We all make choices, that's pretty much the long and short of it.

Given the choice, I would rather die quickly at home from a heart attack than sit slumped in an armchair in front of a television in a care home for years.

Oh yes, the problem is that we are rarely given the choice. I hope the new impetus behind assisted suicide is successful SOON!

djnotts wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 11:36am

Mike Sales wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 10:19am

Bonefishblues wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 10:12am We all make choices, that's pretty much the long and short of it.

Given the choice, I would rather die quickly at home from a heart attack than sit slumped in an armchair in front of a television in a care home for years.

Oh yes, the problem is that we are rarely given the choice. I hope the new impetus behind assisted suicide is successful SOON!

I can't see "I don't want to live a half life in a care home tended by badly paid staff, without my books," as being acceptable in law as a valid reason for assisted suicide.

Psamathe wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 10:11am

Mick F wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 10:01am Hi TC, and season's greetings to you.

I had my appointment with the quack earlier. She took a blood sample - cholesterol and sugars.
Massive cholesterol problem, but under control through fortnightly injections. Injection Friday tomorrow.

She asked me about booze and I pull no punches about it. She added up a typical week for me and it was 42 units per week. Recommended max is 14.

Do I care?
Not a jot.

I'm as fit as a flea, walk miles with the dog, cycle miles too (including all the hills here). No electric assist either.
...

Being able to walk/cycle miles of being "as fit as a flea" is not the only measure of medical issues.

Ian

But you do care - as shown by the thread approaching its tenth anniversary with 400+ posts, many from you, repeatedly explaining how you don't care, or wouldn't care if only the medical profession shared your views.

thirdcrank wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 11:59am

Psamathe wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 10:11am

Mick F wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 10:01am Hi TC, and season's greetings to you.

I had my appointment with the quack earlier. She took a blood sample - cholesterol and sugars.
Massive cholesterol problem, but under control through fortnightly injections. Injection Friday tomorrow.

She asked me about booze and I pull no punches about it. She added up a typical week for me and it was 42 units per week. Recommended max is 14.

Do I care?
Not a jot.

I'm as fit as a flea, walk miles with the dog, cycle miles too (including all the hills here). No electric assist either.
...

Being able to walk/cycle miles of being "as fit as a flea" is not the only measure of medical issues.

Ian

But you do care - as shown by the thread approaching its tenth anniversary with 400+ posts, many from you, repeatedly explaining how you don't care, or wouldn't care if only the medical profession shared your views.

nb Mick F's thread not mine and I certainly do care about my health and avoiding well known well recognised risks to my health.

And I suspect a lot of smokers were saying "I'm as fit as a flea, walk miles with the dog, cycle miles too (including all the hills here). No electric assist either...." as the Dr asked them to sit down so he could explain about the dark patch on their chest X-ray ...

Ian